Topic: Updated ARM ?


Author: nospam@nospam.nospam.nospam ("David Fisher")
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:03:55 +0000 (UTC)
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Does anyone know if there are plans for an updated Annotated Reference
Manual corresponding to the latest standard ?

Thanks,

David F

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Author: francis@robinton.demon.co.uk (Francis Glassborow)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:53:24 +0000 (UTC)
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In article <rEfBb.4980$xm.146929@nasal.pacific.net.au>, David Fisher
<nospam@nospam.nospam.nospam> writes
>Does anyone know if there are plans for an updated Annotated Reference
>Manual corresponding to the latest standard ?
>
No, but Bjarne Stroustrup and Andy Koenig have a self-imposed task to
produce an annotated C++ Standard. Not surprisingly other simpler tasks
tend to take priority so I would not hold your breath (I suspect an
Annotated Standard C++ might rival 'The Art of Computer Programming
volume 4' for both length (it is in three parts -- volumes:-) ) and time
to delivery (for TAOCP4 that is now projected as 2007 -- which will make
it only 30 years late)

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Author: deepblue57x@yahoo.co.nz (Graeme Prentice)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:17:53 +0000 (UTC)
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:53:24 +0000 (UTC), francis@robinton.demon.co.uk
(Francis Glassborow) wrote:

>In article <rEfBb.4980$xm.146929@nasal.pacific.net.au>, David Fisher
><nospam@nospam.nospam.nospam> writes
>>Does anyone know if there are plans for an updated Annotated Reference
>>Manual corresponding to the latest standard ?
>>
>No, but Bjarne Stroustrup and Andy Koenig have a self-imposed task to
>produce an annotated C++ Standard. Not surprisingly other simpler tasks
>tend to take priority so I would not hold your breath (I suspect an
>Annotated Standard C++ might rival 'The Art of Computer Programming
>volume 4' for both length (it is in three parts -- volumes:-) ) and time
>to delivery (for TAOCP4 that is now projected as 2007 -- which will make
>it only 30 years late)


Maybe ACCU could provide a C++ Wiki where the C++ "public" could build
up their own annotated C++ standard and FAQ plus a facility for
recording and discussing "feature requests" where people could vote/rank
their favourite feature.

Graeme

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Author: nospam@nospam.nospam.nospam ("David Fisher")
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:51:25 +0000 (UTC)
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"Francis Glassborow" <francis@robinton.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>Does anyone know if there are plans for an updated Annotated Reference
>>Manual corresponding to the latest standard ?
>>
> No, but Bjarne Stroustrup and Andy Koenig have a self-imposed task to
> produce an annotated C++ Standard. Not surprisingly other simpler tasks
> tend to take priority so I would not hold your breath (I suspect an
> Annotated Standard C++ might rival 'The Art of Computer Programming
> volume 4' for both length (it is in three parts -- volumes:-) ) and time
> to delivery (for TAOCP4 that is now projected as 2007 -- which will make
> it only 30 years late)

Thanks for the reply -

I also found this comment in an interview with Bjarne Stroustrup (September
1996 - hope its not too out of date) at
http://www.eptacom.net/pubblicazioni/pub_eng/stroustr.html :

David F

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Question:

Lot of readers would like to know if there is a "the C++ language - 3rd
edition" and/or a 2nd edition of the ARM under way...

Reply:

I'm working on a 3rd edition and thinking of something to replace the ARM.
However, I don't see a point in writing a new book unless I have a lot of
new things to say, so progress is slow. My aim is to make the 3rd edition as
much an improvement over my 2nd as the 2nd is over the 1st. In other words,
I want to produce something even more approachable that the 2nd yet
containing information that will be new and exhiting to essentially every
C++ programmer. I cannot predict when I complete, but noone who needs a good
textbook should wait for the 3rd edition. The 2nd edition is still one of
the most complete, thorough, and up-to-date textbooks available. Naturally,
I cannot publish an ARM replacement until there is a standard to annotate.
Until I get those books written, D&E is the best source for information
about new features in particular and the reasons behind the design of C++ in
general.

["D&E" is the Design and Evolution of C++]


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