Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<9l$+A7A6xuz8EwUA@robinton.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <f5c5dc88.0204301041.36c9d7ac@posting.google.com>, Tad Marko
> <tad@tadland.net> writes
> >So, I guess my REAL question is if there is truly some obstacle to
> >giving C++ a richer set of STANDARD libraries, or does nobody care?

There's nearly 2,000 developers particpating in the Boost
(www.boost.org) project; one of its most central objectives is to
develop additional libraries for submission to the C++ standards
committee.

> Well WG21 cares enough to have acquired a new work item to develop extra
> library components.

Let me translate Francis' post into ordinary english, for those who
don't speak ISO administrivia:-)

"Well, WG21 [the C++ Standards Committee] cares enough to have aquired
a new work item [gotten permission from ISO] to develop [begin
processing proposals for] extra library components."

The Library Working Group of the committee spent perhaps one third of
their time at the meeting last week working on new library components.
The first couple of proposals (type traits, hash tables) are available
on the committee's web site (http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc22/wg21).

--Beman

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Edwin Robert Tisdale <E.Robert.Tisdale@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote in message news:<3CC9895D.C117C5E1@jpl.nasa.gov>...
> Tad Marko wrote:
>
> > ...It's the class library.
> > C++ needs more than just the STL.  Any chance that will ever happen?
>
> I hope not.
> It was probably a mistake to integrate the Standard Template Library
> (STL)
> into the C++ Standard Library.
>
> There are already a much richer collection of C++ class libraries
> than Java class libraries.  They just need to be standardized.
> But it is a mistake to make them part of the ANSI/ISO C++ standard
> and compel C++ compiler developers to implement them.
> A separate standard (or collection of standards) should specify
> the Application Program Interface (API) for these libraries
> so that they can be implemented by competative, independent
> third party C++ class library developers.

I think that's what I was trying to say. My original post wasn't a
troll. It's a serious question. I don't necessarily mean it needs to
be in the STL, but I darn sure think there needs to be some standard
libraries for some basic stuff that is common nowadays, such as
networking and basic GUI. Most third party libraries I've used simply
suck. I end up being forced to write Java at work sometimes simply
because it's got a rich standard library. We really don't need the
"write once" feature all that much. Actually, not at all if you mean
compiling only once.

Yes, it would be nice if there were a standard that would allow me to
get my program working on other platforms, but if that means I have to
recompile and maybe spend a few hours jiggling a few things, I don't
see that as a problem.

So, I guess my REAL question is if there is truly some obstacle to
giving C++ a richer set of STANDARD libraries, or does nobody care?

At the suggestion of an earlier reply, I've cross posted this to
comp.std.c++. I left comp.lang.c++ on so those who replied to the
thread over there can see it, but please remove comp.lang.c++ if you
post a follow up to this.

Tad

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In article <f5c5dc88.0204301041.36c9d7ac@posting.google.com>, Tad Marko
<tad@tadland.net> writes
>So, I guess my REAL question is if there is truly some obstacle to
>giving C++ a richer set of STANDARD libraries, or does nobody care?

Well WG21 cares enough to have acquired a new work item to develop extra
library components.


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