On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:20:53 CST, "Ney Andr=E9 de Mello Zunino"
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>=20
> "John Potter" <jpotter@falcon.lhup.edu> wrote in message
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> >
> > Word games.  STL is produced by SGI and it has
> > hash_set/multiset/map/multimap.  The C++ standard library does not.
> >
> > John
>=20
> I am sorry, but it would be more precise to say that SGI provides an
> implementation of the STL which is part of the C++ Standard Library. To=
 say
> that the STL is produced by SGI is like transforming something which is
> basically a set of specifications into a proprietary thing (and also to
> ignore the existence of companies like Rogue Wave). You can create your=
 own
> implementation of the STL, if you wish, provided you follow the
> specifications.

Valid except that neither STL nor Standard Template Library are words
which appear in the C++ standard.  Ron was playing word games.  The
SGI(from HP)STL contains hash containers.  The C++ standard does not
contain an STL or hash containers.

The real question was why does the C++ standard library not contain
hash containers and was answered quite well.

John

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"Ney Andr=E9 de Mello Zunino" wrote:
>=20
> "John Potter" <jpotter@falcon.lhup.edu> wrote in message
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> >
> > Word games.  STL is produced by SGI and it has
> > hash_set/multiset/map/multimap.  The C++ standard library does not.
> >
> > John
>=20
> I am sorry, but it would be more precise to say that SGI provides an
> implementation of the STL which is part of the C++ Standard Library. To=
 say
> that the STL is produced by SGI is like transforming something which is
> basically a set of specifications into a proprietary thing (and also to
> ignore the existence of companies like Rogue Wave). You can create your=
 own
> implementation of the STL, if you wish, provided you follow the
> specifications.

You're missing the point. STL was not written to implement the C++
standard,  it existed a long time before the standard did. It could have
been proprietary if the developers had insisted. A very large part of
STL was incorporated into the C++ standard, but not all of it, and some
fairly drastic changes were made to it in the process. The standard
never refers to STL. There's a large portion of the standard library
which depends upon templates, and that portion is almost identical to
the parts that were adapted from STL, and it seems quite reasonable to
me to call that portion the "Standard Template Library", and to
abbreviate it as STL. However, when someone wants to play word games, it
is strictly correct to say that STL has hashed containers, but the C++
standard library does not.

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Why does STL not contain hash table templates?


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In article <8it0ed$ggu$1@news.netvision.net.il>,
Gandalf Gray <gandgray@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why does STL not contain hash table templates?

In hindsight it's certainly perplexing that it doesn't.
But the committee is a volunteer group, with schedules, and
as with many things, the timing wasn't right, simple as that,
and the rest is history as they say. As strange as
hash tables being left out is, just as amazing is that any
of the STL even managed to get added.  With things such
as feature freezes nearing, and lots of work left on STL
and other matters, hash tables just never got in.

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Gandalf Gray wrote:
>
> Why does STL not contain hash table templates?
>
STL does (hashmap)

The containers library in the language standard is what is missing it.

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In article <39527357.AF68E477@sensor.com>, Ron Natalie  <ron@sensor.com> wrote:
>Gandalf Gray wrote:
>> Why does STL not contain hash table templates?
>>
>STL does (hashmap)
>
>The containers library in the language standard is what is missing it.

Are you referring to the locale's hash stuff?

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:08:30 CST, comeau@panix.com (Greg Comeau) wrote:

> In article <39527357.AF68E477@sensor.com>, Ron Natalie  <ron@sensor.com> wrote:
> >Gandalf Gray wrote:
> >> Why does STL not contain hash table templates?
> >>
> >STL does (hashmap)
> >
> >The containers library in the language standard is what is missing it.
>
> Are you referring to the locale's hash stuff?

Word games.  STL is produced by SGI and it has
hash_set/multiset/map/multimap.  The C++ standard library does not.

John

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In article <3953a402.28858861@news.csrlink.net>,
John Potter <jpotter@falcon.lhup.edu> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:08:30 CST, comeau@panix.com (Greg Comeau) wrote:
>> In article <39527357.AF68E477@sensor.com>, Ron Natalie  <ron@sensor.com> wrote:
>> >Gandalf Gray wrote:
>> >> Why does STL not contain hash table templates?
>> >>
>> >STL does (hashmap)
>> >
>> >The containers library in the language standard is what is missing it.
>>
>> Are you referring to the locale's hash stuff?
>
>Word games.  STL is produced by SGI and it has
>hash_set/multiset/map/multimap.  The C++ standard library does not.

Ok, it has sounded like it was being used, slangishly,
to describe the container/algorithm/iterators stuff in the SL,
and not as SGI's STL.

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"John Potter" <jpotter@falcon.lhup.edu> wrote in message
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> Word games.  STL is produced by SGI and it has
> hash_set/multiset/map/multimap.  The C++ standard library does not.
>
> John

I am sorry, but it would be more precise to say that SGI provides an
implementation of the STL which is part of the C++ Standard Library. To say
that the STL is produced by SGI is like transforming something which is
basically a set of specifications into a proprietary thing (and also to
ignore the existence of companies like Rogue Wave). You can create your own
implementation of the STL, if you wish, provided you follow the
specifications.

Regards,

Ney Andr    de Mello Zunino.

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    But guard the seed..."



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ross.canning@compucat.com.au (Ross Canning) writes:

|>  Does anyone know where I can get an implementation of the STL which is
|>  portable to Borland C++,  SunPro C++ and HP C++. The free HP
|>  implementation does not compile under SunPro.

Which versions of each compiler?  There is a site in Moscow
(http://www.ipmce.su/people/fbp/stl/stlport.html) which has a version of
the SGI sources ported to Sun CC and (I think) Borland.

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ross.canning@compucat.com.au (Ross Canning) writes:

> Does anyone know where I can get an implementation of the STL which is
> portable to Borland C++,  SunPro C++ and HP C++. The free HP
> implementation does not compile under SunPro.

http://www.ipmce.su/people/fbp/stl/index.html

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Ross Canning wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get an implementation of the STL which is
> portable to Borland C++,  SunPro C++ and HP C++. The free HP
> implementation does not compile under SunPro.
>

You might want to try the STL page at SGI:

http://www.sgi.com/Technology/STL/

Alex Stepanov seems to be actively maintaining this version.  It is
supposed to work properly with the SGI compiler, no mention of whether
SunPro is supported or not.

If that doesn't work you may have to go with a commercial version from
ObjectSpace, which has very wide support.

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Does anyone know where I can get an implementation of the STL which is
portable to Borland C++,  SunPro C++ and HP C++. The free HP
implementation does not compile under SunPro.

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Do the STL output iterators work with binary files?  I have taken
a quick look but didn't see any support.  All pointers are welcome.

Thanks

Larry :-)
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In article <D4DAC9.M1F@cix.compulink.co.uk>, pmoore@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Paul Moore") writes:
> I have a copy of the STL which I picked up via FP from somewhere. I'm
> not sure if it's up to date. Where would I get the latest version?
> Also, will STL work with a CFront 3.0 based C++ compiler? I will
> shortly be getting my hands on such a compiler, and I'd like to use
> STL, if possible.

I looked the STL by compiling it with cfront 3.0 (sunos4,hpux9) and
gcc (2.5.8) and have no success. The development environment for
HP's STL seems to be Borland C++ and IBM aix C++ compilers. So
any plug and play (or say "compile and play" :) solutions there
seems to not exist.

If there are any "third party" ports of STL to cfront, I
(and maybe many other) would like happy to hear about,
thanx.

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I have a copy of the STL which I picked up via FP from somewhere. I'm
not sure if it's up to date. Where would I get the latest version?
Also, will STL work with a CFront 3.0 based C++ compiler? I will
shortly be getting my hands on such a compiler, and I'd like to use
STL, if possible.

Thanks,
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Fergus Henderson (fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
: stepanov@cello.hpl.hp.com (Alex Stepanov) writes:

: >A newer version of STL (multiple minor bug-fixes) is available by
: >anonymous ftp from butler.hpl.hp.com.

All I get when ftp'ing to this is, site not known???
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A newer version of STL (multiple minor bug-fixes) is available by
anonymous ftp from butler.hpl.hp.com.

stepanov@cello.hpl.hp.com (Alex Stepanov) writes:

>A newer version of STL (multiple minor bug-fixes) is available by
>anonymous ftp from butler.hpl.hp.com.

Is there a list of the bugs which were fixed?

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