Topic: Looking for description of 'rebind
Author: David R Tribble <dtribble@technologist.com>
Date: 1999/03/04 Raw View
William Boyle <woboyle@mediaone.net> wrote:
>> The print output of the PDF file isn't too bad (double sided), but it
>> IS something like 776 pages... Printed 2-sided, it just fits in my
>> biggest binder at about 390 output pages (sigh). I had to print it at
>> night, otherwise the rest of my department would have formed a lynch
>> mob, I suspect!
Dave Abrahams wrote:
> Personally, I have a paper version but I seldom use it. I hardly ever
> use the PDF or the HTML either. I have an ASCII text version that is
> rapidly searchable and easily excerpted.
And this ASCII text version is available where?
> Has anyone tried using ghostscript
> <http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get550.html> to convert it to
> plain text?
Is your version of the text not the same?
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Author: "Dave Abrahams" <abrahams@mediaone.net>
Date: 1999/03/05 Raw View
In article <36DDCE81.5457D686@technologist.com> , David R Tribble
<dtribble@technologist.com> wrote:
> And this ASCII text version is available where?
To committee members.
>> Has anyone tried using ghostscript
>> <http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get550.html> to convert it to
>> plain text?
>
> Is your version of the text not the same?
Don't know; haven't tried the trick.
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Author: "Dave Abrahams" <abrahams@mediaone.net>
Date: 1999/02/28 Raw View
In article <36D36AD9.B75D73E7@mediaone.net> , William Boyle
<woboyle@mediaone.net> wrote:
> The print output of the PDF file isn't too bad (double sided), but it IS
> something like 776 pages... Printed 2-sided, it just fits in my biggest
> binder at about 390 output pages (sigh). I had to print it at night,
> otherwise the rest of my department would have formed a lynch mob, I
> suspect!
Personally, I have a paper version but I seldom use it. I hardly ever use
the PDF or the HTML either. I have an ASCII text version that is rapidly
searchable and easily excerpted. Has anyone tried using ghostscript <
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get550.html> to convert it to plain
text?
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Author: William Boyle <woboyle@mediaone.net>
Date: 1999/02/24 Raw View
Ziv Caspi wrote:
>
> On 14 Feb 1999 00:17:08 GMT, sbnaran@localhost.localdomain.COM (Siemel
> Naran) wrote:
>
> >The HTML version is also faster to scroll, and takes less RAM.
> >Possibly PDF does not do hyperlinks, but I don't know for sure.
>
> 1. PDF *does* do hyperlinks. See, for instance, pdfTex (a tool to
> produce PDF docs out of TeX/LaTeX documents).
>
> 2. What's even more irritating is the poor quality of the PDF
> output file. I thought about buying the paper version of the
> standard, but if it is typeset like the PDF version, I won't
> bother. Can someone with such a copy confirm that it is
> of better quality?
>
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The print output of the PDF file isn't too bad (double sided), but it IS
something like 776 pages... Printed 2-sided, it just fits in my biggest
binder at about 390 output pages (sigh). I had to print it at night,
otherwise the rest of my department would have formed a lynch mob, I
suspect!
Bill Boyle
woboyle@mediaone.net
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Author: James.Kanze@dresdner-bank.com
Date: 1999/02/15 Raw View
In article <36dd2362.706795287@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
miker3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Rubenstein) wrote:
> On 13 Feb 1999 16:47:42 GMT, smeyers@aristeia.com (Scott Meyers)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I'm thankful that ANSI has chosen to make the standard available in an
> >electronic form, I'm thankful that they have chosen to make it
> >comparatively inexpensive, and I'm thankful that they have made it
> >available for immediate download to anybody with an Internet connection and
> >a credit card. I want to encourage them (and other standards bodies) to do
> >more of this kind of thing in the future. But I'm also curious about the
> >decisions that led to the standard being available in PDF (as opposed to,
> >say, HTML), to its prohibition on copying text from the standard, and to
> >its failure to include links that were in the HTML for the FDIS.
> >
> >Can somebody familiar with these issues shed some light on them?
>
> I suspect that making it available in PDF rather than HTML simply
> reflects that it is derived from a printable document and PDF gives a
> reliable, easy to generate, representation of a postscript document.
> HTML conversions often introduce problems.
Making it available in PDF also means that you cannot easily edit it. A
decided advantage for an authorative document.
As for the lack of links: unless Andy has changed his way of working,
the authorative source for the document is in troff, which doesn't have
links. Unless I'm mistaken, the conversion to HTML is a shell script
(with possibly some manual intervention); it is relatively simple in a
shell script to recognize troff chapter, section, etc. headers and
generate the necessary links.
I presume that the the PDF was generated by using a ptroff program,
which generates Postscript, and then converting the Postscript to PDF.
Since neither troff nor Postscript support links, it's not really
surprising that the PDF doesn't have any.
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Author: zivc@peach-networks.com (Ziv Caspi)
Date: 1999/02/16 Raw View
On 14 Feb 1999 00:17:08 GMT, sbnaran@localhost.localdomain.COM (Siemel
Naran) wrote:
>The HTML version is also faster to scroll, and takes less RAM.
>Possibly PDF does not do hyperlinks, but I don't know for sure.
1. PDF *does* do hyperlinks. See, for instance, pdfTex (a tool to
produce PDF docs out of TeX/LaTeX documents).
2. What's even more irritating is the poor quality of the PDF
output file. I thought about buying the paper version of the
standard, but if it is typeset like the PDF version, I won't
bother. Can someone with such a copy confirm that it is
of better quality?
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zivca@netvision.net.il
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Author: paulp.removethis@ccnet.com (Paul)
Date: 1999/02/12 Raw View
Where can I find info about 'rebind' without
having to spend $280 on a copy of the language
standard? The last available draft standard
has no information about it.
Paul
paulp@ccnet.com
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Author: ark@research.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Date: 1999/02/13 Raw View
In article <36c49eaa.15985443@news.ccnet.com>,
Paul <paulp.removethis@ccnet.com> wrote:
> Where can I find info about 'rebind' without
> having to spend $280 on a copy of the language
> standard? The last available draft standard
> has no information about it.
Well, you could spend $18 on a machine-readable copy of the standard.
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Author: ncm@nospam.cantrip.org (Nathan Myers)
Date: 1999/02/13 Raw View
Paul<paulp.removethis@ccnet.com> wrote:
>Where can I find info about 'rebind' without
>having to spend $280 on a copy of the language
>standard? The last available draft standard
>has no information about it.
Two answers. First, you can get an electronic copy of the standard
for $18. Second, look in Stroustrup's 3rd edition of The C++
Programming Language.
Rebind is a simulation of a non-existent language feature, a
template typedef. It's ugly, but not hard to understand.
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Author: smeyers@aristeia.com (Scott Meyers)
Date: 1999/02/13 Raw View
In article <F7297I.9KG@research.att.com>, ark@research.att.com says...
> Well, you could spend $18 on a machine-readable copy of the standard.
I did this the other evening, and I have to say that the immediate
gratification of ordering and getting what I ordered at basically the same
time (modulo my pokey little modem) was truly great. I knew from
grumblings in other postings that it wasn't possible to copy text from the
PDF, but I was surprised to discover that there don't seem to be even the
most basic links in the PDF. For example, paragraph 4 of section 4.7
begins this way:
If the destination type is bool, see 4.12.
I'd expect "4.12" to be a link in the PDF, but it's not. This is
especially surprising, because it *is* a link in the HTML for the FDIS.
Presumably, both the PDF for the standard and the HTML for the FDIS are
derived from a common source document that contains links such as these.
I'm thankful that ANSI has chosen to make the standard available in an
electronic form, I'm thankful that they have chosen to make it
comparatively inexpensive, and I'm thankful that they have made it
available for immediate download to anybody with an Internet connection and
a credit card. I want to encourage them (and other standards bodies) to do
more of this kind of thing in the future. But I'm also curious about the
decisions that led to the standard being available in PDF (as opposed to,
say, HTML), to its prohibition on copying text from the standard, and to
its failure to include links that were in the HTML for the FDIS.
Can somebody familiar with these issues shed some light on them?
Thanks,
Scott
Scott Meyers, Ph.D. smeyers@aristeia.com
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Author: sbnaran@localhost.localdomain.COM (Siemel Naran)
Date: 1999/02/14 Raw View
On 13 Feb 1999 16:47:42 GMT, Scott Meyers <smeyers@aristeia.com> wrote:
>I'm thankful that ANSI has chosen to make the standard available in an
>electronic form, I'm thankful that they have chosen to make it
>comparatively inexpensive, and I'm thankful that they have made it
>available for immediate download to anybody with an Internet connection and
>a credit card. I want to encourage them (and other standards bodies) to do
>more of this kind of thing in the future. But I'm also curious about the
>decisions that led to the standard being available in PDF (as opposed to,
>say, HTML), to its prohibition on copying text from the standard, and to
>its failure to include links that were in the HTML for the FDIS.
The HTML version is also faster to scroll, and takes less RAM.
Possibly PDF does not do hyperlinks, but I don't know for sure.
I think they're afraid of people copying the document without paying
for it.
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Author: miker3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Rubenstein)
Date: 1999/02/14 Raw View
On 13 Feb 1999 16:47:42 GMT, smeyers@aristeia.com (Scott Meyers)
wrote:
>
>I'm thankful that ANSI has chosen to make the standard available in an
>electronic form, I'm thankful that they have chosen to make it
>comparatively inexpensive, and I'm thankful that they have made it
>available for immediate download to anybody with an Internet connection and
>a credit card. I want to encourage them (and other standards bodies) to do
>more of this kind of thing in the future. But I'm also curious about the
>decisions that led to the standard being available in PDF (as opposed to,
>say, HTML), to its prohibition on copying text from the standard, and to
>its failure to include links that were in the HTML for the FDIS.
>
>Can somebody familiar with these issues shed some light on them?
I suspect that making it available in PDF rather than HTML simply
reflects that it is derived from a printable document and PDF gives a
reliable, easy to generate, representation of a postscript document.
HTML conversions often introduce problems.
The prohibition against copying represents stupidity. A standard, by
its nature, is the authorative source of information and using quotes
from it is normal and desirable.
Fortunately, one can get around the fact that one cannot cut and past
from the PDF. If you're using a Win32 version, the easiest is to use
Adobe's Access View
(http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/LIBRARY/2976.htm).
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