I was very dissapointed at the cost of the standard as well.  I'd have been
quite accepting of the usual pro book price of ~$50, but $180 did seem a bit
steep :-(  I ended out buying the PDF, printing it and getting it bound -
grand total $25.

I'd still rather have a propper book though.

Guy
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(this was in another thread, but I felt it was more relevant in this thread)

In article <36a3163d.11117235@smtp.reichardt.ch>, daniel@reichardt.ch
(Daniel Hartmeier) wrote:

> On 12 Jan 1999 06:41:56 GMT, blargg@flash.net (Gargantua Blargg) wrote:
>
> > (sorry, I don't have the final standard because the ANSI credit card
> > verification on their online order store fails for some reason, so these
> > quotes are from the CD2. Flame me if the final standard has changed in any
> > significant way, or even if it hasn't; I deserve it :-)
>
> I paid the $18 and downloaded the final standard document. Only to
> discover that they have disabled the possibility to copy text to the
> clipboard. Another user-friendly feature of the great PDF format.
>
> This was the last time I paid for an ANSI document. I will continue to
> quote from the CD2. :-(

(see discussion about this about a month or so ago)

As much as I dislike using a bloated HTML browser, I prefer that
infinitely more than using the super-bloated copy-protected (literally, as
in no copying text from it) Acrobat format of the final standard.

I consider this situation most disappointing.

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I have a copy of the FDIS, and I'm wondering how different it is from the
final standard.  I don't begrudge ANSI their $18 for the standard, and in
fact I applaud them for making the standard electronically available for
such a reasonable price.  It's just that I dislike PDF (which is what the
electronic version of the standard is in, so I'm told) and I like HTML
(which is what my copy of the FDIS is in).

So, how much am I missing by referring to the FDIS instead of the final
standard?

Thanks,

Scott

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Scott Meyers wrote:
> I have a copy of the FDIS, and I'm wondering how different it is from
> the final standard.

Where did you get it?  How much is it?

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Scott Meyers <smeyers@aristeia.com> wrote:
>
>I have a copy of the FDIS, and I'm wondering how different it is from the
>final standard.  I don't begrudge ANSI their $18 for the standard, and in
>fact I applaud them for making the standard electronically available for
>such a reasonable price.  It's just that I dislike PDF (which is what the
>electronic version of the standard is in, so I'm told) and I like HTML
>(which is what my copy of the FDIS is in).
>
>So, how much am I missing by referring to the FDIS instead of the final
>standard?

There are a bunch of typos fixed in the standard, but the main difference
is that the HTML has faulty paragraph- and section-numbering.

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David R Tribble <dtribble@technologist.com> writes:

>Scott Meyers wrote:
>> I have a copy of the FDIS, and I'm wondering how different it is from
>> the final standard.

>Where did you get it?  How much is it?

The Final Draft International Standard is a C++ Committee document,
available to members of the C++ Committee, as explained in the FAQ
for this newsgroup.

When the FDIS went out for voting, ANSI made (only) paper copies
available for purchase.  The price was higher than the cost of a
paper copy of the final standard, which is all that is available
now. (The FDIS was treated as a copy-on-demand document, so you
paid the price for a single copy. ANSI expected more demand for
the actual standard, and had copies made up in bulk.)

The differences between the FDIS and the final standard are not
significant. (They are not allowed to be different.) The formatting
of comments in code examples was cleaned up, and a few minor typos
were corrected.

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>Where did you get it?  How much is it?

To the best of my knowledge, the FDIS was never made publicly available.  I
have a copy only because a sympathetic member of the standards committee
(who shall definitely remain unnamed) shared it with me, in part because
the alternative was to be constantly peppered with questions to which I was
otherwise unable to quickly find the answers.

Scott

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