In article <3v4r9v$843@News1.mcs.net>,
Jim Fleming <jim.fleming@bytes.com> wrote:
>
>I have been watching this movie since 1984. Actually, more appropriately
>in the case of C++, we have been sitting in the movie theatre for over
>10 years...we are still waiting for the movie to start...
>
>There have been some previews of coming attractions...like STL and now
>the real DRAFT C++ Standard...as I see it, the feature length movie
>has not started...the C++ books are filled with very small trivial
>examples of tricks and techniques which are like "movie clips"...

 You are right Jim. But so what? Standardising a MAJOR
and already popular language isn't a trivial effort, especially when
a lot of research and development has gone into extending the language
design.

 As a consequence -- despite complaints about not
having a Standard -- many REAL and working compilers have been
upgraded to significantly higher levels of functionality: even if
no standard ever got created the C++ committee (and Bjarne Stroustrup
in particular) has been very successful at getting a better computer
language into the hands of a lots of people.

 In fact, the Standard will follow hot on the heels of the latest
research efforts -- probably TOO close in fact.


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Finally, I have it.  It took me a few months, but now I have it.

Jim Fleming reminds me of someone who walks into the room near the end
of a late night movie and demands a plot recap.

I feel so much better now.

-simon

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Simon Tooke  (not speaking for) SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <DCAH00.2nz@sco.COM>, simon@sco.COM says...
>
>Finally, I have it.  It took me a few months, but now I have it.
>
>Jim Fleming reminds me of someone who walks into the room near the end
>of a late night movie and demands a plot recap.
>
>I feel so much better now.
>
>-simon
>
>===========================================================================
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>Simon Tooke  (not speaking for) SCO Canada, Inc.
>
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Not quite... :-)

I have been watching this movie since 1984. Actually, more appropriately
in the case of C++, we have been sitting in the movie theatre for over
10 years...we are still waiting for the movie to start...

There have been some previews of coming attractions...like STL and now
the real DRAFT C++ Standard...as I see it, the feature length movie
has not started...the C++ books are filled with very small trivial
examples of tricks and techniques which are like "movie clips"...

In some cases feature length movies have been started and the efforts
have failed and have been covered up and swept under the rug of learning
about OO...now the C standard is being portrayed as the solid base and
C++ is portrayed as "experimental"...scenes from the C++ saga will make
their way to the C epic once they are proven..."The // comment looks
like it will make it to C...now there is a big impact...after 15 years
C++ has put the BCPL comment form back into C (which was derived from
BCPL)..."

In other cases (like Java)...people tried to use C++ to make a movie
but they found that it was flawed...see http://java.sun.com for more
info on the "making of Java"...

You seem to imply that the "C++ show is over"...I would rephrase that
to say that..."The C++ game is over"...C++ has won...now the promoters
and zealots of C++ must deliver...

...everyone is assembled in the theatre...on with the show...
 ...with $100,000,000 invested in the standard...
  ...the price of admission has been high...
   ...the pressure on the producers is now great...
    ...they have to deliver...
 ...everyone (or almost everyone) is waiting...

...BTW...Bell Labs just released Plan 9...which does not use C++...

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