Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:

: The language spec has not changed substantially since about 1987...
: The language reference manual has not changed substantially since 1990...

: The language is called C+@...pronounced CAT...

: I suppose that you have not checked http://199.3.34.12 which like many
: servers is under construction but does offer some pointers...

: BTW, there are no pointers in C+@, so if you are looking for pointers
: then you will not find them in C+@...:)...


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:                  \__/-------\__/       http:199.3.34.12 telnet: port 5555
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this is insane.  there is no public information about the C+@ language
on the internet.  the web site contains long passages of philosophy
about Unir corporation.  mention is made that C+@ is a great language.
some fairly generic class interfaces are stored.  but nothing concrete
about the language itself is there.  no code samples, no language
definition, nothing concrete to be looked at.  no way to evaluate Jim
Fleming's claim that C+@ is a viable language.

there may not be pointers in C+@ but neither are their pointers to
C+@.  maybe it is a dangling reference that should be garbage
collected?

Michael Helmke

Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:

> This is sad. It is hard to believe that C++ has been proposed as a national
> and international standard without more stability in the industry. No one
> seems to care why stability and reusability have never developed with C++.

> The major criteria seems to be "availability". Maybe C++ is like Cocaine
> and Pornography, it has flourished because it is available.

Well, ya gotta admit that availability certainly gives it an advantage
over c@+.  Six months and counting now since I requested information on
availability and purchase info on c@+.  Nothing yet.  Has the formal
language spec even been started yet?

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In article <3qt4vg$8n7@tusk.lm.com>, kanak@telerama.lm.com says...
>
>Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:
>
>> This is sad. It is hard to believe that C++ has been proposed as a
national
>> and international standard without more stability in the industry. No one
>> seems to care why stability and reusability have never developed with
C++.
>
>> The major criteria seems to be "availability". Maybe C++ is like Cocaine
>> and Pornography, it has flourished because it is available.
>
>Well, ya gotta admit that availability certainly gives it an advantage
>over c@+.  Six months and counting now since I requested information on
>availability and purchase info on c@+.  Nothing yet.  Has the formal
>language spec even been started yet?
>
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>
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The language spec has not changed substantially since about 1987...
The language reference manual has not changed substantially since 1990...

The language is called C+@...pronounced CAT...

I suppose that you have not checked http://199.3.34.12 which like many
servers is under construction but does offer some pointers...

BTW, there are no pointers in C+@, so if you are looking for pointers
then you will not find them in C+@...:)...


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Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
jrf@tiger.bytes.com  /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
%Techno Cat I       /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       http:199.3.34.12 telnet: port 5555
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|

In article <maxw-250595074745@129.197.122.149>, maxw@lmsc.lockheed.com
says...
>
>We're using HPs Softbench environment on HPUX and were
>disappointed to find that the C++ compiler can't handle
>the public-domain STL from HP Labs.
>
>Has anyone heard if/when HP might market a compiler that either
>includes an STL or will compile the PD STL?
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Max Welton                 |   I do not speak for my employer.
>  maxw@lmsc.lockheed.com   |   I do sometimes roll over and
>          or               |   play dead, however.
>  maxw@ix.netcom.com       |
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This is sad. It is hard to believe that C++ has been proposed as a national
and international standard without more stability in the industry. No one
seems to care why stability and reusability have never developed with C++.

The major criteria seems to be "availability". Maybe C++ is like Cocaine
and Pornography, it has flourished because it is available. Considering
the source, it is not surprising that C++ was marketed with no concern for
stability or reusability, only visibility.

Seriously, HP is a "first class" company...I am sure they will fix this...
they seem to care about their reputation...it is hard to believe that they
got sucked into the C++ mess...I am sure they will find a way out...

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Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
jrf@tiger.bytes.com  /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
%Techno Cat I       /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       http:199.3.34.13 telnet: port 5555
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
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