Topic: C+@ Litter


Author: Scott Wheeler <scottw@bmtech.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1995/05/30
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In Article <3q6a4p$oi6@News1.mcs.com> Jim Fleming writes:
> Few people step back and say..."what is
>going on here...does it really take 9 C++ consultants to install a C++
>lightbulb in 1 month...???...the answer is yes!...1 to do the work and
>8 to work on the ANSI standard...:)

Q: How many C+@ programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Both of them. One to change the bulb, the other to hold off the C++
conspirators.






Author: mikes@forte.com (Mike Schilling)
Date: 1995/05/30
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Scott Wheeler (scottw@bmtech.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In Article <3q6a4p$oi6@News1.mcs.com> Jim Fleming writes:
: > Few people step back and say..."what is
: >going on here...does it really take 9 C++ consultants to install a C++
: >lightbulb in 1 month...???...the answer is yes!...1 to do the work and
: >8 to work on the ANSI standard...:)
:
: Q: How many C+@ programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?
: A: Both of them. One to change the bulb, the other to hold off the C++
: conspirators.
:
That's not enough.  You need the one that shields the lightbulb-changing
from the rest of the world, so there's no telling how it was done,
and the one who insists how much easier it is to chnage lightbulbs with
C+@.  Last you need the one who shoots everyone involved and then commits
suicide, lest it become public knowledge who actually uses C+@.





Author: jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming)
Date: 1995/05/27
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In article <3q5fc8$mrr@offas_dike.sbil.co.uk>, shepherd@debussy.sbi.com
says...
>
>In article <jygtpt@bmtech.demon.co.uk>, Scott Wheeler
<scottw@bmtech.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>In article <3pjj8d$b4u@disunms.epfl.ch> matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato
Mira) writes:
>>
>>Fernando> ....Lucid went bust because their C++ business was
>>Fernando> sucking up a lot of money (the Lisp side was doing fine).
>>Fernando> Harlequin bought their Lisp business. For what I know,
>>Fernando> nobody took the C++ pieces..
>
>It's amazing the kinds of things people try to blame on C++.
>There are tons of companies making money on C++
tools/libraries/training/etc.
>The fact that one particular company blew it doesn't mean a blasted thing.
>
>>
>>I believe that Tartan Inc have picked up the C++ stuff.
>
>Tartan's an example of a company that has had no trouble at all making
>money on C and C++.
>
>---
>Marc Shepherd
>Salomon Brothers Inc
>shepherd@schubert.sbi.com       The opinions I express are no one's but
mine!
>
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There is still a ton of money to be made in C++...

The following quote by Bjarne Stroustrup in "The Design and Evolution of
C++" ensures that you will be employed into the "next century"...:)

 9.3.1 We Need the Bridge for a Long Time

 It will take people a long time to reach the level of
 sophistication and maturity with object-oriented programming,
 object-oriented design, etc. that I envisioned. The migration
 to C++ will not be complete five years from now. C++'s role
 as a bridge and as a vehicle for hybrid design and development
 will outlast this century. Its role as a vehicle for maintenance
 and upgrading of old code will last longer still.

 It is sobering to realize that in places the move from assembler
 to C isn't yet complete. In the same way, the move from C to C++
 may last for a long time. However, in this lies part of C++'s
 strength. To those who really need some pure C style, those
 styles are readily available and efficient in C++. Supporting
 those styles - both during a transition and where they simply
 are the most appropriate style - is part of C++'s fundamental
 aims.

 - Bjarne Stroustrup, page 201, D&E

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I don't think C++ programmers have to worry much about job security.
I doubt if people interested in working at the leading edge of the OO
movement will be standing in line to take over your code.

A friend of mine in the moving business made a lot of money hauling
away IBM 360s and dismantling compter rooms. He did not have much
computer experience and had not made any money on the rising edge of the
IBM 360 business. He saw his biggest opportunity on the trailing edge
and capitalized on it. Now is the time to catch the C++ wave and ride it.

I suspect that many companies will be able to capitalize on the trailing
edge of the C++ business especially with companies like Borland moving
to Delphi, Sun to JAVA, NeXT to Objective-C (ownership), Parc Place to
the merger with Digitalk, etc. Maybe Taligent will be the C++ hot-bed of
the future. They seem to be chasing the trailing edge. Only time will tell.

One thing for sure, there is still a lot of money to be made with C++.
This seems to be the nature of the computer industry. Some of the poorest
designs end up with the most people trying to fix them or the most people
trying to explain them. The more people that get involved, the more
society endorses the activity. Few people step back and say..."what is
going on here...does it really take 9 C++ consultants to install a C++
lightbulb in 1 month...???...the answer is yes!...1 to do the work and
8 to work on the ANSI standard...:)

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