In article <D87qCx.KuB@world.std.com>, tonyk@world.std.com says...
>
>Travis C. Porco (porco@pathos.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>: In article <3oal7p$15n1@locutus.rchland.ibm.com>,
>: Philip Staite <pstaite@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>: >The secret is...  JF doesn't really exist! (neither does c+@ for that
matter)  They wer
>e both made up by the Ansi C++ committee as a lightning rod to draw off our
OO stress! :-)
>)  After all, has anyone ever actually seen a c+@ compiler or a product of
Unir?  How abou
>t JF?  Isn't it convenient that he's way down in the British VI where he's
probably the on
>ly c.l.c++ reader on the whole island?  OK Ansi, the jig is up, you can
stop now ;-)
>
>: >Phil Staite
>
>: You may be right, hehe :-)
>
>: I asked JF to send me information on books and articles on
>: C+@, and if he could tell me of C+@ compilers are available
>: and on what platforms, especially Linux, and their costs.
>: After all the posts he's made, he won't tell us the actually
>: useful bits of information.  I've not seen such rudeness in a
>: long time.
>
>: --Travis
>
>Take it easy on JF, he is probably suffering from some massive
>psychological trauma, and already feeling too lonely.
>
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Thanks for your concern...I am fine...
 ...the sailing has never been better... :)
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>If anyone really care for some real (but vague) infom, here is what I
>remember: C+@ appeared in Dr. Dobbs sometime in 1994, the Alternative
>Languages issue, if my memory serves well.  At that time, the AT&T/Unir
>marketing plans for the compiler were not well defined (according to the
>article).  I don't remember if the article also mentionned any further
>technical papers on the topic.
>

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I am surprised that people have not noticed the P.J. Plauger article in
the same October 1993 Issue of Dr. Dobb's Journal. It has been very
interesting to track how that article was received by the C++ community
and the "adjustments" made *after* that article was published. If people
had followed that activity closely, they now may have a better feeling
for how P.J. Plauger's copyrighted class library became part of the
DRAFT ANSI Standard for C++.
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>It appeared to be an improvement over C++, embodied some very neat
>incremental compilation techniques, and other technically interesting
>features.
>

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C+@ is very neat and has proven to be an elegant language. The C+@ class
library makes STL and the rest of the DRAFT C++ standard look like a toy.
C+@ is a real as rain or snow...unfortunately, some people who have never
seen snow, do not believe it exists...is that our problem or theirs?
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>Beyond that, it seems that the relations soured between AT&T and Unir, and
>JF is clearly not handling it well.
>

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We have not even gotten to "the good parts" yet....:)
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>Based on the current state of affairs, I'd wager that C+@ is not available
>to the common public.  Maybe when JF recovers from his misery, he'll do
>something about that.  For the moment, AT&T Bell Labs is probably the only
>source of valid info on C+@ existence and availability.
>
>Cheers,
>--
>"C++ was invented because Vogon poetry wasn't destructive enough."
>        -- anonymous
>--
>--
>Antoun (Tony) Kanawati
>tonyk@world.std.com

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