In article <3nfc40$cn9@portal.gmu.edu> bclar3@osf1.gmu.edu (Brian E Clark) writes:


   Trever Miller (bug@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca) wrote:
   : Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:

   : [snippity snip]

   : : Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
   : : Standard be directed by American citizens?

   : Sure - go ahead and paint yerselves into a corner.  Being anti-foreigner
   : and isolationist is a good way to get left behind in the dust in today's
   : world.

   : --
   : bug@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca                 Keeper of the Alberta B5 Mailing List

   Yeah, kinda reminds me of the hunters from Kentucky who have threatened to
   boycott the Canadian hunting areas becuase of a new gun law in the provinces.
   Hope that group of jerks and the person who made the above statements do
   not lead you to conclude that all Americans (I use the term loosly to refer
   to us from the states) are self-rightious but-heads.

   I am interested in why the A in Ansi still stands for American.  Since,
   obviously, the standards being churned out are anything but uniquely
   American, one might wonder why noone has petitioned to have the name changed.

The A stands for American because it is the *American* National
Standards Institute.  ANSI is simply one of the more active members of
ISO, hence the proliferation of its standards.  Standards are not
necessarily the work of ISO, per se, but of the individual members.  From
"http://www.iso.ch/infoe/intro.html":

 . . .

 Who does the work ?

 The technical work of ISO is highly decentralized, carried out in a
 hierarchy of some 2 700 technical committees, subcommittees and
 working groups. In these committees, qualified representatives of
 industry, research institutes, government authorities, consumer
 bodies, and international organizations from all over the world come
 together as equal partners in the resolution of global
 standardization problems.

 The major responsibility for administrating a standards committee is
 accepted by one of the national standards bodies that make up the ISO
 membership - AFNOR, ANSI, BSI, CSBTS, DIN, SIS, etc.

 . . .

See "http://www.iso.ch/welcome.html" for all kinds of information
about ISO.

(Note: I am not an expert in the field of standards.  My words might
very well be false, confused, or misleading.)

--
-- Rich Kasperowski     richk@concentra.com     +1-617-868-2800 ext. 304

dag@net.dynasim.se (Dag Bruck) wrote:

>In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>>
>>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>>Standard be directed by American citizens?

>I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
>Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?


C++ standardization in particular should be directed by "Non speakers
of  English" type people.  That way we won't end up with more "False
cognates" in "English", like "virtual inheritance" and  "virtual
functions" being unlike each other and unlike good old "virtual
memory".

 When we find new features with unpronouncable names spelled with
umlauts, we'll *know* we are confused, and not think we understand
when we really don't!

 Unfortunately, Dag Bruck seems to not qualify as a "Non-speaker of
English."  Perhaps he can find someone who does qualify.

 Warren

          Warren F. Seltzer                        Just east of Seattle
          warrens@warrens.seanet.com

Trever Miller (bug@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca) wrote:
: Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:

: [snippity snip]

: : Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
: : Standard be directed by American citizens?

: Sure - go ahead and paint yerselves into a corner.  Being anti-foreigner
: and isolationist is a good way to get left behind in the dust in today's
: world.

: --
: bug@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca                 Keeper of the Alberta B5 Mailing List

Yeah, kinda reminds me of the hunters from Kentucky who have threatened to
boycott the Canadian hunting areas becuase of a new gun law in the provinces.
Hope that group of jerks and the person who made the above statements do
not lead you to conclude that all Americans (I use the term loosly to refer
to us from the states) are self-rightious but-heads.

I am interested in why the A in Ansi still stands for American.  Since,
obviously, the standards being churned out are anything but uniquely
American, one might wonder why noone has petitioned to have the name changed.

Brian

In article <3nfc40$cn9@portal.gmu.edu>, bclar3@osf1.gmu.edu says...
>
>Trever Miller (bug@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca) wrote:
>: Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:
>
>: [snippity snip]
>
>: : Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>: : Standard be directed by American citizens?
>
>: Sure - go ahead and paint yerselves into a corner.  Being anti-foreigner
>: and isolationist is a good way to get left behind in the dust in today's
>: world.
>
>: --
>: bug@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca                 Keeper of the Alberta B5 Mailing
List
>
>Yeah, kinda reminds me of the hunters from Kentucky who have threatened to
>boycott the Canadian hunting areas becuase of a new gun law in the
provinces.
>Hope that group of jerks and the person who made the above statements do
>not lead you to conclude that all Americans (I use the term loosly to refer
>to us from the states) are self-rightious but-heads.
>
>I am interested in why the A in Ansi still stands for American.  Since,
>obviously, the standards being churned out are anything but uniquely
>American, one might wonder why noone has petitioned to have the name
changed.
>
>Brian


I believe you have lost the context of my comment. I am a big advocate
of World Wide Software Develeopment and currently offer a FREE free
university course on that subject. Also, my company helps sponsor The
MUD Institute which also focuses on portable, distributed, object-oriented,
software development using LPC (Lars Pesjl C).

You can reach The MUD Institute (TMI) via:

 telnet mudcat.bytes.com 5555 (199.3.34.13)

It appears that the focus of the standardizing of C++ should be on ISO
the International Standards Organization. They evidently have the ultimate
say over what goes on. From what I have been told ANSI only has one vote
in that arena.

C++ should be a world language standard...if the world wants it...
C++ should not be attributed ONLY to the United States of America...
many people from many countries helped to design and promote C++...

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dag@net.dynasim.se (Dag Bruck) writes:

In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>>
>>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>>Standard be directed by American citizens?

>I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
>Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?

Yep. I do. We should see more of it.

Somehow I feel obliged to point out that most of the folks involved
with the standards process seem to be doing it with the best interest
of the language, and those that program in it, at heart. But somehow I
also suspect that deaf ears are present...

Kim Knuttila
Member of X3J16
Canadian Citizen (and damn proud of it, although it's hard to see what
                  this has to do with understanding a programming
                  language. It's probably more important to know that I
                  enthusiastically support Jake and Nellie :-)


>Dag Bruck
>Member of X3J16
>Swedish citizen
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>Research Park Ideon                   Fax:    +46 46 129879
>S-223 70 Lund                         E-mail: Dag@Dynasim.se

Kim Knuttila
Visible Decisions, inc.
For whom I'm not speaking in this post! Yep... It's just me an' Jake that
own this post.

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Regards,
krk.

Kim Knuttila            | Do I need to say it? well alright...

In article <1995Apr20.062353.10774@mole-end.matawan.nj.us>,
 <mat@mole-end.matawan.nj.us> wrote:
>
>Why do I get the feeling that Mr. Fleming is afraid that some garlic-eating,
>slant-eyed, head-shrinking, beef-eating, sauna-sitting, vodka-drinking,
>camel-riding, kangaroo-roping, beer-bellied devil furriner is going to
>put fluoridated water(*) in his Standard?

 Good heavens, I'd better take up camel-riding quickly!

--
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 Maxtal Pty Ltd,
        81A Glebe Point Rd, GLEBE   Mem: SA IT/9/22,SC22/WG21
        NSW 2037, AUSTRALIA     Phone: 61-2-566-2189

Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:

[snippity snip]

: Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
: Standard be directed by American citizens?

Sure - go ahead and paint yerselves into a corner.  Being anti-foreigner
and isolationist is a good way to get left behind in the dust in today's
world.

--
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Friendly Neighbourhood System Mangler   babylon5-request@cyberdex.cuug.ab.ca

"Nice shark...pretty shark..." -- Londo, "The Gathering"

maxtal@Physics.usyd.edu.au (John Max Skaller) writes:

>In article <house.798348072@helios>, ron house <house@helios.usq.EDU.AU> wrote:
>>dag@net.dynasim.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>>
>>>I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
>>>Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?
>>
>>Yes. So-called national standards must be suitable for internationalisation
>>or else the rest of the world won't adopt them. Some gung-ho Americans
>>won't think this important (feet and inches come to mind), but all the
>>thoughtful ones seem to.

> An interesting reply -- considering the writer
>was Dag Bru"ck -- who is Head of the SWEDISH delegation to WG21,
>as well as sometimes Denmark and who is also a member of X3J16.

WHOOPS!!! When I wrote "Yes" I meant "I agree with these sentiments" not
"Yes I have a complaint." I think the rest of my remark makes clear
that I was supporting Dag, not opposing him. (Havta re-read these
things before I hit the "s" key...  :-)   )

--

Ron House.         USQ                   | A nonviolent diet is the
(house@usq.edu.au) Toowoomba, Australia. | foundation for a nonviolent world.

In article <3ms018$8a3@news1.digex.net>, erich@jaeger.com (Eric J. Holtman) writes:
> In article <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com says...
> >
> >
> >I still do not understand why this list is such a tightly held secret.
> >
> >What on earth are people trying to hide?
> >
> >Why don't people want anyone to know who is working on the standard?
> >
> >Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
> >Standard be directed by American citizens?
> >
> >Have I missed something? Do they really have all of you brainwashed?

> We are UNIR.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.

Yeah.

Why do I get the feeling that Mr. Fleming is afraid that some garlic-eating,
slant-eyed, head-shrinking, beef-eating, sauna-sitting, vodka-drinking,
camel-riding, kangaroo-roping, beer-bellied devil furriner is going to
put fluoridated water(*) in his Standard?

Why do I wonder why he should care, since he doesn't like it anyway?

(*For the innocent: one of the better-publicized theories of the
ultra-nationalist John Birch Society is that fluoridated water is a
Communist Plot to take over the minds and hearts of America's youth.

Or something like that.)
--
 (This man's opinions are his own.)
 From mole-end    Mark Terribile
 mat@mole-end.matawan.nj.us, Somewhere in Matawan, NJ
 (Training and consulting in C, C++, UNIX, etc.)

In article <3n2ar2$sbt@nils.ideon.lth.se>, dag@net.dynasim.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
> In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
> >
> >Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
> >Standard be directed by American citizens?
>
> I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
> Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?
>
> Dag Bruck
> Member of X3J16
> Swedish citizen

Let me be the Nth to state that I am very grateful for Dag's efforts,
which have been considerable, and which have done much good.
--
 (This man's opinions are his own.)
 From mole-end    Mark Terribile
 mat@mole-end.matawan.nj.us, Somewhere in Matawan, NJ
 (Training and consulting in C, C++, UNIX, etc.)

In article <house.798348072@helios>, ron house <house@helios.usq.EDU.AU> wrote:
>dag@net.dynasim.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>
>>In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>>>
>>>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>>>Standard be directed by American citizens?
>
>>I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
>>Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?
>
>Yes. So-called national standards must be suitable for internationalisation
>or else the rest of the world won't adopt them. Some gung-ho Americans
>won't think this important (feet and inches come to mind), but all the
>thoughtful ones seem to.

 An interesting reply -- considering the writer
was Dag Bru"ck -- who is Head of the SWEDISH delegation to WG21,
as well as sometimes Denmark and who is also a member of X3J16.

 -- John Skaller, sometimes HOD of the Australian Delegation.
and sometimes HOD for New Zealand -- and who is not a member
of X3J16

[Wg21 is an working group of the _international_ body ISO/IEC;
the International Standards Organisation.]

--
        JOHN (MAX) SKALLER,         INTERNET:maxtal@suphys.physics.su.oz.au
 Maxtal Pty Ltd,
        81A Glebe Point Rd, GLEBE   Mem: SA IT/9/22,SC22/WG21
        NSW 2037, AUSTRALIA     Phone: 61-2-566-2189

dag@net.dynasim.se (Dag Bruck) writes:

>In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>>
>>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>>Standard be directed by American citizens?

>I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
>Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?

Yes. So-called national standards must be suitable for internationalisation
or else the rest of the world won't adopt them. Some gung-ho Americans
won't think this important (feet and inches come to mind), but all the
thoughtful ones seem to.

--

Ron House.         USQ                   | A nonviolent diet is the
(house@usq.edu.au) Toowoomba, Australia. | foundation for a nonviolent world.

> I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
> Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?

I think your participation is extremely important. It is essential that
the standard has the input from an international membership. There is
no call for nationalism in this. C++ is an internationally used
language.

Vince
=====

In article <bKUblWsogxUP073yn@iaccess.za>, vincer@iaccess.za says...
>
>> I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
>> Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?
>
>I think your participation is extremely important. It is essential that
>the standard has the input from an international membership. There is
>no call for nationalism in this. C++ is an internationally used
>language.
>
>Vince
>=====

I agree, there is no call for nationalism. From what I can tell the
ISO is the main body directing the C++ standards efforts. When the
rubber hits the road ANSI gets *one* vote.

If everyone posting to and reading these groups on the Internet
were considered to be citizens of Cyberspace then maybe we could
register as a "country" and obtain a vote from ISO. It could be
the Cyberspace vote.

In the future, languages developed in Cyberspace will be standardized
in Cyberspace. C+@ is a good example. C+@ will probably not ever
require an ANSI standards committee. C++ will probably be the last
language standardized by ANSI.

The ANSI system was designed mostly for mechanical standards. The
technology now available in Cyberspace makes most of the ANSI process
obsolete and irrelevent. It will be interesting to see if the ANSI
committee can handle the "public comments" that will come from
Cyberspace. Cyberspace is beyond international. It is beyond the
planet.

There is no call for nationalism or for planet-ism...

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In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>
>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>Standard be directed by American citizens?

I feel it is important to work on the C++ standard, and I like it.
Does anyone have any specific complaints on my participation?

Dag Bruck
Member of X3J16
Swedish citizen
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Research Park Ideon                   Fax:    +46 46 129879
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Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:
> >You've got a lot of balls Mr. Phleming, to ask other people where they
> >work while you continue to represent yourself as an employee of the long
> >defunct Unir Corporation.  Your state claims that if you're still doing
> >business as Unir, you're illegal as their charter is long gone.
> >
> >

> Your information is out of date. This clerical problem was fixed with
> the State of Illinois where Unir Corporation is a Foreign Corporation.
> Unir Corporation has been incorporated in the State of Delaware since
> 1981. My signature stands. The only new changes will likely be the new
> 800 numbering system that MCI is setting up for Unir. 1-800-2XX-UNIR.

Sorry Jim, your word is simply not good enough.  The state of Illinois
says that you're illegal.  I refuse to deal with you as a representative
of Unir here until you are once again working for a legitimate corporation.

If you feel that the State of Illinois has made a clerical error, which is
now fixed, please post information pertaining to this correction.  Please
include phone numbers where I can verify that Unir is once again a
legitimate going concern.

Unless and until you do this, I don't think you have any credibility with
anyone.  Until that time, you are a dead representative of a dead corp
trying to push the deadest of languages.

Good Day.

--

janr@molienergy.bc.ca (Jan Reimers) writes

 > > In article <3mgu9s$ob6@News1.mcs.com> jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
 > >
 [various nonsense deleted]
 > >
 > Jim,
 >
 >  I would be very surprised if your name wasn't at the top of Dr.
 > Stroustrups kill file.  Also since only about 10% of the postings in this
 > group have any relation to the C++ language, I would also be surprised
 > if he even reads this group anyway.

Thanks for the kind thought, but actually, I don't have a kill file. The reason
is that I feel that I ought to know what goes on here - even if it is not always
pleasant reading. I also post occationally.

Naturally, I don't want to respond to every message (or provocation), and
many reasonable messages I couldn't answer well anyway. I am, for example,
not an expert in the various PC implementations of C++. In addition, I
tend not to answer questions for which thousands of other comp.lang.c++
readers know the answer - and by now that is most questions.

The answers to almost all of the questions asked about the language proper
can be found in my books (usually a look at the index is a good start).

For tutorial material, programming technique, object-oriented design issues,
and the C++ reference manual,see my 2nd edition:

 Bjarne Stroustrup:
 The \*C Programming Language (2nd edition)
 Addison-Wesley ISBN 0-201-53992-6.

For questions about why various parts of the language are the way they are,
the aims of C++, the rules that guides the design of C++,the standards effort,
etc., see D&E:

 Bjarne Stroustrup
 The Design and Evolution of C++
 Addison Wesley, ISBN 0-201-54330-3.

For questions of a more language technical nature and for implementation
issues see the ARM:

 Margaret A. Ellis and Bjarne Stroustrup:
 The Annotated C++ Reference Manual
 Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-51459-1.

The ARM and my 2nd edition shares a regularly updated chapter summarizing
the resolutions of the standards committee (ftp: std.com cd AW/stroustrup2e).

For a more exhaustive discussion of analysis and design see

 Grady Booch:
 Object-oriented Analysis and Design with Applications, 2nd edition.
 Benjamin Cummings, ISBN 0-8053-5340-2.
 1993.

For a really nice set of examples of design problems (primarily related to
re-usable software) and their solutions see

 Gamma, et.al.:
 Design Patterns
 Addison-Wesley.

In my opinion, many posters here would benefit from taking the time to
read a good book or two. By now, there is such a large number of good books
on C++ and its use that the main problem facing a reader is to find one
that is a good match to the reader's background, tastes, and needs.

I would like to encourage people to have patience with the many novice
questions and take some time to answer some well. Often, that means answering
not just the precise question asked but also to explain something about
the general problem that the novice has encountered.

Part of being a novice is not to know exactly what the right question is,
how to ask it, or where to ask it. For example, it is not trivial for a
novice to figure out if a given action is done by a language construct,
a standard library function, or a proprietary library function. A novice
can therefore have a problem even finding the right manual or textbook
to look in.

Please be patient and helpful. We were all novices once, and we are all still
novices in most areas.

 - Bjarne

In article <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com says...
>
>
>I still do not understand why this list is such a tightly held secret.
>
>What on earth are people trying to hide?
>
>Why don't people want anyone to know who is working on the standard?
>
>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>Standard be directed by American citizens?
>
>Have I missed something? Do they really have all of you brainwashed?
>



We are UNIR.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.

--
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#include <stdtitle.h>         \      trying to herd cats.
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In <3mkumn$qj1@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>
>Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
>Standard be directed by American citizens?

You're right.  With all our peculiar problems like the 26-letter Latin
alphabet, decimal-based currency, and the world's predominant natural
language, we obviously have to make sure that our information-processing
standards are based on 100% American technology, created by 100% Americans.
No damn furriners need apply.

Oh well.  At least this Barney Shoestrap guy is an Aryan.  (Hey, that's where
you're ultimately going, isn't it?  I mean, it can't be that you're worried
about America's Sacred Soil, or you wouldn't be offshore, would you?)

In article <3mgu9s$ob6@News1.mcs.com> jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>
>To: Mr. Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>For the record and for the benefit of those people tracking the
>proceedings of the *American* National Standards Institute (ANSI)
>C++ Language standards work...
>
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>
>Can you please provide the following:
>
> Current Employer:
>
> Citizenship Status:
>
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>--
>Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
>%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
>Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
>East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
>British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
>                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
>Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|
>

Jim,

 I would be very surprised if your name wasn't at the top of Dr.
Stroustrups kill file.  Also since only about 10% of the postings in this
group have any relation to the C++ language, I would also be surprised
if he even reads this group anyway.

Here my list of the current top 3 most idiotic threads:

 1) Why is there no @ symbol in c++?
 2) Take a coffee break (i.e. how much time does it take to boot).
 3) Where can I find a cpu usage monitor?

(All variants of "how do I clear the screen in C++?" are in my kill file
so this thread may also be continuing without my knowledge.)

BTW Jim ... are you now working for the imagration department???


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Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:

> To: Mr. Bjarne Stroustrup

> For the record and for the benefit of those people tracking the
> proceedings of the *American* National Standards Institute (ANSI)
> C++ Language standards work...

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

> Can you please provide the following:

>  Current Employer:

>  Citizenship Status:

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

> Thank you for your time.

> --
> Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation

You've got a lot of balls Mr. Phleming, to ask other people where they
work while you continue to represent yourself as an employee of the long
defunct Unir Corporation.  Your state claims that if you're still doing
business as Unir, you're illegal as their charter is long gone.


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In article <3mks23$47d@telerama.lm.com>, kanak@telerama.lm.com says...
>
>Jim Fleming (jim.fleming@bytes.com) wrote:
>
>> To: Mr. Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>> For the record and for the benefit of those people tracking the
>> proceedings of the *American* National Standards Institute (ANSI)
>> C++ Language standards work...
>
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>
>> Can you please provide the following:
>
>>       Current Employer:
>
>>       Citizenship Status:
>
>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>
>> Thank you for your time.
>
>> --
>> Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation
>
>You've got a lot of balls Mr. Phleming, to ask other people where they
>work while you continue to represent yourself as an employee of the long
>defunct Unir Corporation.  Your state claims that if you're still doing
>business as Unir, you're illegal as their charter is long gone.
>
>

Your information is out of date. This clerical problem was fixed with
the State of Illinois where Unir Corporation is a Foreign Corporation.
Unir Corporation has been incorporated in the State of Delaware since
1981. My signature stands. The only new changes will likely be the new
800 numbering system that MCI is setting up for Unir. 1-800-2XX-UNIR.

Now back to the topic of this newsgroup. I would like to see a list
posted of the current members of the ANSI committee working to
standardize the C++ programming language. I feel that this list should
indicate the employer of the individual as well as the country or
countries in which the person is a citizen.

I still do not understand why this list is such a tightly held secret.

What on earth are people trying to hide?

Why don't people want anyone to know who is working on the standard?

Why do people think it is not important that an *American* National
Standard be directed by American citizens?

Have I missed something? Do they really have all of you brainwashed?

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Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
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To: Mr. Bjarne Stroustrup

For the record and for the benefit of those people tracking the
proceedings of the *American* National Standards Institute (ANSI)
C++ Language standards work...

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Can you please provide the following:

 Current Employer:

 Citizenship Status:

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Thank you for your time.

--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
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