Do companies really hire individuals like you?   OK, OK.  You're employed in
your company's strategic planning group.  Right?  Or maybe in program or
product marketing?    Gee, with your insights, knowledge  and your natural
abilities to engender and foster harmonious working relationships with
external companies, you must really be a prized employee.  Say!  Are you in
the sour grapes business?
Bo Komonytsky
GIS CSS Dayton, OH

My postings are strictly my own views and do
not reflect the opinions of my employer.
=======================================
Been There.  Done that.
Don' wanna' do that no more, again.

In <3mmcaj$cve@News1.mcs.com> jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming)
writes:

>Microsoft is a pawn of AT&T...I have said many times, I think people
>should leave Microsoft alone and get to the root of the attempts to
>control the information industry in this country...
>
>(skipped)
>
>AT&T might be regulated on rates...they are not regulated on what they
>do in the smoke filled rooms that they control...
>
>The RBOCs *might* play a key role in preventing companies like AT&T
>from manipulating their pawns to control the information of the
planet...
>
>(skipped)
>
>My simple point is that AT&T should NOT be allowed back into the
>the information industry...they are a 900 lb. gorilla that was wounded
>on 1/1/84...they have roamed the forest and continue to step on anyone
>they want...they will find new partners (pawns) and will use them as
>"fronts" to regain control of the important commodity...information...
>once that occurs, then we will be right back in the same boat which
>brought about divestiture...technical innovation will be slowed to the
>pace that AT&T prefers...
>

>>>As an exercise...can you name the major Bell Labs acheivements made
>>>during the past 10 years...???

>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>I noticed you could not name any...
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

>Do not let AT&T use Microsoft to dictate your information future...!!!

RE: Bell Labs - How about a new worlds record for lightwave tranmission
which sent 5,000,000 simultaneous phone calls over a single pair of
optic fibers. No existing commercial system can come close to that.
Bells Labs puts out numerous patents every year, just get a list.

RE: AT&T - Are these wild conspiracy theories based on too many late
night spy novels or do you have any actual proof of AT&T's sinister
deeds.

Tom Kerr

In article <D78MwE.D8G@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM>,
Bo.Komonytsky@Dayton.ncr.com says...
>
>Do companies really hire individuals like you?   OK, OK.  You're employed
in
>your company's strategic planning group.  Right?  Or maybe in program or
>product marketing?    Gee, with your insights, knowledge  and your natural
>abilities to engender and foster harmonious working relationships with
>external companies, you must really be a prized employee.  Say!  Are you in
>the sour grapes business?
>Bo Komonytsky
>GIS CSS Dayton, OH
>
>My postings are strictly my own views and do
>not reflect the opinions of my employer.
>=======================================
>Been There.  Done that.
>Don' wanna' do that no more, again.
>

At least you are not suggesting like some, that I was hired by AT&T
to create a smoke screen for C++ and to help sell more of Bjarne's
books.

Also, you are not suggesting, as some have, that Bjarne writes these
so that he can respond with mild mannered, even handed, pleasant
responses to fool people once again.

Maybe since you are from NCR (owned by AT&T) you can confirm or deny
the fact that the @ symbol is the original logo of NCR and was used
on your early cash registers, like the Apple key. If this is the case,
then @ becomes the AT&T key, because they own your company. Maybe
AT&T could sell the @ key to Novell for a cool $200 million. On second
thought, I bet Microsoft would like to have their own key, to really
hammer Apple.

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In article <3mlps0$8nt@maverick.tad.eds.com>, twalker@aindev.gtd.eds.com
says...
>
>X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.3
>
>In article <3mh012$ob6@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming)
says:
>>
>[stuff snipped]
>
>>
>>You seem to be forgetting that consumers like relationships...they like
>>to deal with people that they have some identity with...the RBOCs are
>>the companies with the little (down-sized) white trucks that still make
>>house calls...have you had an AT&T truck visit your house recently?
>>
>>As long as there is copper connecting your home or office to a building
>>that then provides you connectivity to the Information Superhighway...
>>you, as a consumer, will be concerned about your "relationship" with
>>your vendor...(Note: The Justice Department just approved Ameritech's
>>entry into the Long Distance market)...If I were Ameritech, I would
>>make sure that I have all of my employees in little white trucks and
>>white cars...driving up and down the back-roads of America...visiting
>>MA and PA and selling them information services...
>>
>
>I agree with this.  This is surely one of the reason why AT&T, MCI
>and Sprint want to get into the home.  All of their service calls right
>now go to the POPs.
>
>>>AT&T (and all long distance companies) will make even more money even
>>>though long-distance prices will decline, because of much lower costs
>>>and much higher unit volumes (new on-line services, data transmission,
>>>video, etc.).
>>
>>AT&T should be sanctioned from participating in this new and growing
>>industry because of past and present violations of "intellectual human
>>rights" and because of their attempts to manipulate the information
>>services industry and software industries, causing at least a 10 year
>>delay in the offering of services...a plan should be developed by the
>>United States Federal government to phase AT&T out of the picture as
>>soon as possible...they do not deserve to continue pursuing their
>>monopolistic agendas, to the DIS-service of the American people and
>>most of the rest of the world...
>>
>What are these violations of "intellectual human rights?"  I'm curious.
>

For one, check out the activities surrounding the development of the
C++ programming language.

How about the Berkeley UNIX con job and law-suit....
 help us fix our software...then we sue the University...

>Could you please inform us how and what AT&T delayed for 10 years.  I
>do not know of many services coming out now that people would have even
>envisioned ten years ago.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

Where have you been?...in the early 80's "before" the IBM PC...
AT&T and Knight-Ridder were running "web services" in South Florida...

Don't you know the history of the on-line information services industry?

Try reading my articles in Byte magazine...1982...that is 13 years ago...

This was before divestiture...which was 1/1/84...


>Do you feel Microsoft should be banned from the earth also?  A company
>can not be blamed for trying to corner a market.  It makes sense, more
>customers, less competition = more money.
>

Microsoft is a pawn of AT&T...I have said many times, I think people
should leave Microsoft alone and get to the root of the attempts to
control the information industry in this country...

>Are you aware that AT&T is more heavily regulated than the other long
>distance companies, such as Sprint and MCI?  If you have problems with
>AT&T, why not take some of them up with the federal gov't.  They are the
>ones that dictate what AT&T can and can not do.
>

AT&T might be regulated on rates...they are not regulated on what they
do in the smoke filled rooms that they control...


>Some of your bias may be from the pre-diversiture days.  In that case
>any bias against AT&T should also be held against the RBOCs, because
>they were the same company at the time, the RBOCs just got a new name
>when AT&T split up.
>

The RBOCs *might* play a key role in preventing companies like AT&T
from manipulating their pawns to control the information of the planet...

ISPs will also play a key role...

My simple point is that AT&T should NOT be allowed back into the
the information industry...they are a 900 lb. gorilla that was wounded
on 1/1/84...they have roamed the forest and continue to step on anyone
they want...they will find new partners (pawns) and will use them as
"fronts" to regain control of the important commodity...information...
once that occurs, then we will be right back in the same boat which
brought about divestiture...technical innovation will be slowed to the
pace that AT&T prefers...

>
>>>Through their Bell Labs and other research operations, AT&T is the most
>>>innovative and technologically advanced company on the planet with a
>>>scope of products and new technologies that are mind-boggling.
>>>To say that the Internet is a threat to AT&T is like saying the bicycle
>>>is now a threat to the airline industry.
>>>
>>>Tom Kerr
>>>
>>
>>You must be joking....Bell Labs is currently composed of a bunch of 50
>>year old guys that are just hanging on to the day when they can have
>>5 years added to their service and be paid to retire...they just hope
>>that this occurs...before AT&T is phased out of the information
industry...
>>
>
>OK, who or what is better or does more for the industry in terms of
>inventions and setting industry standards than Bell Labs?
>
>>As an exercise...can you name the major Bell Labs acheivements made
>>during the past 10 years...???
>>
>>(Please do not include the UNIX lawsuit against the University of
>>California at Berkeley and the people of California...that was NOT
>>an achievement)
>>
>

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
I noticed you could not name any...
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

>Tom Walker
>twalker@aindev.gtd.eds.com
>
>As usual, these are my views, not those of my company, division or
>work group.  Please direct any flames to me, I welcome them.
>

You make some good points...since this is the Internet I would hope
that readers realize that this facility came about despite AT&T...
Linux came about despite AT&T...ATM came about despite AT&T...BSDI
came about despite AT&T....Sun came about despite AT&T...

....Microsoft came about...to support AT&T's agendas...

Do not let AT&T use Microsoft to dictate your information future...!!!

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