> Does anyone know if jails and prisons have considered putting
> an Internet connection inside each cell? This could be a way
> of tapping this gross waste of human resources...With that these
> prisoners could cruise at 20 miles up...this could get exciting...

Yes it would get quite exciting...The number of scams and rip-offs would
shoot through the roof.

--
[~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
[~ Joel A. Schmidt                      The reasonable man adapts himself ~]
[~ BNR, CSN Development.      to the world; the unreasonable one persists ~]
[~ I speak for myself.       in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, ~]
[~ chaos@bnr.ca           all progress depends upon the unreasonable man. ~]
[~ (214) 684-4251                                --George Bernard Shaw    ~]
[~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]

In article <3ksl4c$mkl@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
|> Since it is forthcoming...let me give you the standard request list...
|>
|> ftp site of FREE documents
|> ftp site of FREE compiler
|> ftp site of FREE tools
|> ftp site of FREE information
|>
|> Many people have written to me to tell me that this is the big
|> "selling" point of C++, that everything is FREE...and other
|> companies are "selling" languages...
|>
|> I look forward to reading a FREE copy of the standard...
|>
I understand you have already found a source of FREE computers.
I want one too... Ah, ye, I can't use it - I'm not american...

You can find ANSI/ISO Resolutions at
ftp://ftp.std.com/AW/stroustrup2e/new_iso.ps

Look on
http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bs-errata.html
for references to errata for older editions of [2nd] or [ARM]
(you still need to buy one of those, I guess. I use a book
from library - FREE, but under constraints, you can too.)

And I beleave some newsgroup *.law* is more suitable for
discussing need for protectionizm and PROCEDURES of standards
setting so DEEPLY ;-)

Good luck
 Vladimir.

>>>>> "ARK" == Andrew Koenig <ark@research.att.com> writes:

ARK> The informal agreement has been that one meeting (out of
ARK> three) a year would be outside North America.  That
ARK> agreement has mostly been followed.

I think the agreement is "outside the USA," with Canada being very
much outside the USA.  Part os the schedule is/has been:

 Mar 1994 San Diego, USA
 Jul 1994 Waterloo, Canada
 Nov 1994 Valley Forge, USA
 Mar 1995 Austin, USA
 Jul 1995 Monterey, USA
 Nov 1995 Tokyo, Japan

Dag Bruck

In article <DAG.95Mar30170007@bellman.control.lth.se>, dag@control.lth.se
says...
>
>>>>>> "ARK" == Andrew Koenig <ark@research.att.com> writes:
>
>ARK> The informal agreement has been that one meeting (out of
>ARK> three) a year would be outside North America.  That
>ARK> agreement has mostly been followed.
>
>I think the agreement is "outside the USA," with Canada being very
>much outside the USA.  Part os the schedule is/has been:
>
>        Mar 1994        San Diego, USA
>        Jul 1994        Waterloo, Canada
>        Nov 1994        Valley Forge, USA
>        Mar 1995        Austin, USA
>        Jul 1995        Monterey, USA
>        Nov 1995        Tokyo, Japan
>
>Dag Bruck
>

For anyone that has ever been on an ANSI committee for the entire process,
you will discover that there is a blurring with *large* companies as to
what is a country and what is a company. You will note that in previous
postings, Mr. Andrew Koenig is careful in pointing out that "U.S. domiciled"
companies can have foreign employees and still vote. For large companies
this gets them around any "country" boundaries. (Note layers below)

As the Internet grows, we now have an interesting situation. We have four
layers of populations to "organize"...We have to be aware, that most
large corporations and people that steer those ships, do not know or care
that other countries exist or that people are under their "cruisers", they
cruise on in grand style...next stop, Monterey, California..Nice, very nice.

Working from the OuterNet downward...

 Internet - Cruises 20 miles above planet earth...
  In "international" waters or space...

 U.S. Federal Government - Cruises any where from 30,000 feet to
  several miles above the earth, depending on the needs.
  Displays symbols of "force" on the ground, but only
  to keep earth people distracted.

 Large Companies - Float about 30,000 feet above the earth
  in corporate jets and commercial airlines, other countries,
  state governments, small companies and people are largely
  ignored, as their cruisers pass by with impunity...

 State Governments - Float about 2 feet above the ground in cars
  sold to them by Large Corporations, these are inefficient
  vehicles intended to keep the state governments operating
  "for the people"...

 Small Companies & People - Live in quiet desperation on the earth...

 Jails & Prisons - Filled with people living in noisy desperation...
  even though they are on the earth, they may as well not
  be...around New York City...the jails and prisons are on
  the water...

Since we are on this subject...

 Does anyone know if jails and prisons have considered putting
 an Internet connection inside each cell? This could be a way
 of tapping this gross waste of human resources...With that these
 prisoners could cruise at 20 miles up...this could get exciting...


--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|

In article <3l99i2$8tq@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> schuenem@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Ulf Schuenemann) writes:

> Why should an US institute encourage people to fly around the _world_ ?

Because ANSI wants to encourage simultaneous development of
an ANSI and an ISO standard.

The informal agreement has been that one meeting (out of three)
a year would be outside North America.  That agreement has
mostly been followed.
--
    --Andrew Koenig
      ark@research.att.com

In article <D65wxA.CIw@research.att.com>, ark@research.att.com says...
>
>In article <3l99i2$8tq@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
schuenem@Informatik.TU-Muenche
>n.DE (Ulf Schuenemann) writes:
>
>> Why should an US institute encourage people to fly around the _world_ ?
>
>Because ANSI wants to encourage simultaneous development of
>an ANSI and an ISO standard.
>
>The informal agreement has been that one meeting (out of three)
>a year would be outside North America.  That agreement has
>mostly been followed.
>--
>                                --Andrew Koenig
>                                  ark@research.att.com

Now I am confused. Are you saying that there are two standards being
developed in parallel? ANSI and ISO? or ISO and ANSI if we try to get
the hierarchy correct.

Why would "ANSI want(s) to encourage simultaneous development"?

Is this a back-up plan in case ISO does not make it?

Are there unique features in the ANSI standard which will not be in ISO?
 For example are ANSI standard character sets going to be used?
 Will the AT&T/NCR symbol (@) be in the ANSI standard but not ISO?

One "meeting" out of "three" will be outside North America. I assume by
this that this implies these are ANSI meetings? Not ISO meetings.

(Also, if we have a copy of the DRAFT standard, can we start posting
public comments to the net?)

--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|

In article <3kq6ob$bfn@News1.mcs.com>, jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
[..]
|> ANSI is a standards group that was born
|> out of the hardware days and its policies and procedures are clearly
|> out-of-date. To encourage people to "fly" around the world, meeting
|> face to face, and not to use the Internet for obvious purposes is
|> beyond belief. Maybe this is how they design wheel chairs that fit
|> through elevator doors, but is very out-moded in software arenas.

Why should an US institute encourage people to fly around the _world_ ?
If you can't stop complaining then you should direct your accusations
to the right address: ISO in Geneva, in this case.


Ulf Schuenemann

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Ulf Sch   nemann
Institut f   r Informatik, Technische Universit   t M   nchen, Germany.
email: schuenem@informatik.tu-muenchen.de

In article <3kpvel$meh@tools.near.net>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@nic.near.net> wrote:
>
>What's the point?  Unless you're a member or are invited by a member, you
>shouldn't be able to attend the meeting.  And if you're a member or are
>invited, you presumably know the location and time.

I believe that first part is inaccurate.

As far as I know, ANSI X3J* meetings are open to the public.

In any case, if you are just Joe Schmo, and you show up, wander in,
and just grab a seat, it is unlikely that anyone will make a stink
about it unless you start disrupting things.  (If you _do_ start
disrupting things they may insist on having you pay your dues before
attenting.  Normally, only dues-paying members are allowed to be
disruptive. :-)

No sentries are posted at the doors to meetings, and I've never
been asked for any credentials to enter.
--

-- Ron Guilmette, Sunnyvale, CA ---------- RG Consulting -------------------
---- E-mail: rfg@segfault.us.com ----------- Purveyors of Compiler Test ----
-------------------------------------------- Suites and Bullet-Proof Shoes -

In article <3krn3u$9e0@hustle.rahul.net>, rfg@rahul.net says...
>
>In article <3kgivs$rfp@News1.mcs.com>,
>Jim Fleming <jim.fleming@bytes.com> wrote:
>>
>>Do the people on the ANSI standards committee for C++ read this newsgroup?
>
>Some do.  Others don't.
>
>>Do they post to this newsgroup?
>
>Some do.  Others don't.
>
>>Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical
discussions"?
>
>It stands for `standard'... as in the (forthcoming) C++ standard.
>

Since it is forthcoming...let me give you the standard request list...

ftp site of FREE documents
ftp site of FREE compiler
ftp site of FREE tools
ftp site of FREE information

Many people have written to me to tell me that this is the big
"selling" point of C++, that everything is FREE...and other
companies are "selling" languages...

I look forward to reading a FREE copy of the standard...

--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|

In article <3kgivs$rfp@News1.mcs.com>,
Jim Fleming <jim.fleming@bytes.com> wrote:
>
>Do the people on the ANSI standards committee for C++ read this newsgroup?

Some do.  Others don't.

>Do they post to this newsgroup?

Some do.  Others don't.

>Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical discussions"?

It stands for `standard'... as in the (forthcoming) C++ standard.

--

-- Ron Guilmette, Sunnyvale, CA ---------- RG Consulting -------------------
---- E-mail: rfg@segfault.us.com ----------- Purveyors of Compiler Test ----
-------------------------------------------- Suites and Bullet-Proof Shoes -

>>>>> Jim Fleming <jim.fleming@bytes.com> writes:

> Since it is forthcoming...let me give you the standard request list...

> ftp site of FREE documents
> ftp site of FREE compiler
> ftp site of FREE tools
> ftp site of FREE information

> Many people have written to me to tell me that this is the big
> "selling" point of C++, that everything is FREE...and other
> companies are "selling" languages...

> I look forward to reading a FREE copy of the standard...

This is ridiculous.  In what sense is everything free about C++, as
compared to other languages?  Who has been telling you this?

Well, GNU C++ is free.  But then, so are GNU C, Objective C and FORTRAN.
So is lcc.  This is not a property of the language, it's a property of
someone having written a free compiler.

Why do you make these ludicrous requests?  Do you have some kind of vested
interest in the failure of C++?  Does Unir sell a C+@ compiler?

Jason

jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>In article <3khuun$ojm@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, clamage@Eng.Sun.COM says...
>>jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:

>>>Is the list of members of the ANSI committee for C++
>>>(active and otherwise) available on-line?

>>No. Committee members get a membership list.

>Why wouldn't a committe member just post it periodically...

Probably afraid of those trillions of intergalactic
C+@ programmers who keep coming to earth in those
flying saucers...Anyone on earth found working on
C++ might get blasted into their component atoms by
one of those Unir Corp. hyper-galactic electro-phasing
C+@-o-nine-tails...

Must be somethin inna coffee this morning...

--
    ciao,
    milo
================================================================
    John DiCamillo                        Pinin' for the fjords?
    milod@netcom.com                  What kind of talk is that?

In article <3kpvel$meh@tools.near.net>, barmar@nic.near.net says...
>
>In article <3kmcb7$smd@News1.mcs.com> jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming)
writes:>
>>In article <3khuun$ojm@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, clamage@Eng.Sun.COM says...
>>the next meeting is July 10-14 in Monterey, California,
>>
>>OK....we are getting warmer...actually colder...in our last posting
>>all we had done was narrow it down to California...now we have
>>narrowed it down to a city...
>>
>>NOTE: If someone e-mails me the location and time, I will post it
>>here...I am an American so I have no problem doing that...
>
>What's the point?  Unless you're a member or are invited by a member, you
>shouldn't be able to attend the meeting.  And if you're a member or are
>invited, you presumably know the location and time.
>

This is beautiful....this is like the country club that one of
my home's is on...(I am no longer a member, thank God)...

I assume that if people send you mail asking to be invited that you
will accommodate them, correct....????

------
For the rest of us...poo folks...

 The real story is that anyone that pays the $600 fee
 can become a member. Note, our friend did not give
 us any information on becoming a member. Just some
 general noise about "Not being welcome...unless asked"

 Secondly, if you can afford to travel to the meetings
 (California, Tokyo, New Joisey, etc.) then you can
 vote. Each organization gets ONE vote. There can be
 a lot of lobbying, but one company can not stack the
 deck...

>>>>Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical
>>discussions"?
>>I have one vote for Standards and one for Simply Technical Discussions...
>>keep those cards and letters coming...
>
>It stands for "standards":
>

Great I am glad that it stands for standards...

I was getting worried because there was very little mention
of the ANSI activities...

Also...a quick update...I have been informed that there was a
"deal" cut on this issue of C and C++, it looks like the hard-core
C standards people wanted to make sure that the C++ cancers did
not creep into C, they cut a deal that evidently results in C++
getting their "own" standard with the "understanding" that IF
it comes out well (or at all) then the "C people" will consider
letting a few "warts" make their way from C++ to C.

We have to wait and "C" how this "compromise" works out...

As far as C+@ is concerned...there are NO ANSI standards activities
planned for that language. ANSI is a standards group that was born
out of the hardware days and its policies and procedures are clearly
out-of-date. To encourage people to "fly" around the world, meeting
face to face, and not to use the Internet for obvious purposes is
beyond belief. Maybe this is how they design wheel chairs that fit
through elevator doors, but is very out-moded in software arenas.

What is interesting is that I suspect that 99% of the people on the
C++ ANSI standards committee are familiar with and using the Internet.
They still cling to and point out any of the ANSI traditions that
allow them to exclude people and to promote their agendas. Since
many of these people have companies behind them with almost unlimited
resources, it is easy for them to make the rules in their favor.

I would like to see some of these people stand on their own two
feet sometime. Murray Hill is full of some of the biggest pussies
in the world. They have sat in their ivory tower for 20 years and
pontificated over the industry. If they want to see a C+@ with claws,
give me a call or drop me a line.

[noise deleted]
>--
>Barry Margolin


>BBN Planet Corporation, Cambridge, MA
>barmar@bbnplanet.com

Note the NEW NAME for BBN, one of the Class A Network Address Companies

(side note, the application for a Unir Internet Account has been "lost"
 three times now...a clerical error I am sure...)

--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans  ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|

In article <3kmcb7$smd@News1.mcs.com> jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:>
>In article <3khuun$ojm@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, clamage@Eng.Sun.COM says...
>the next meeting is July 10-14 in Monterey, California,
>
>OK....we are getting warmer...actually colder...in our last posting
>all we had done was narrow it down to California...now we have
>narrowed it down to a city...
>
>NOTE: If someone e-mails me the location and time, I will post it
>here...I am an American so I have no problem doing that...

What's the point?  Unless you're a member or are invited by a member, you
shouldn't be able to attend the meeting.  And if you're a member or are
invited, you presumably know the location and time.

>>>Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical
>discussions"?
>I have one vote for Standards and one for Simply Technical Discussions...
>keep those cards and letters coming...

It stands for "standards":

% grep comp.std newsgroups
comp.std.announce       Announcements about standards activities. (Moderated)
comp.std.c              Discussion about C language standards.
comp.std.c++            Discussion about C++ language, library, standards.
comp.std.internat       Discussion about international standards.
comp.std.lisp           User group (ALU) supported standards. (Moderated)
comp.std.misc           Discussion about various standards.
comp.std.mumps          Discussion for the X11.1 committee on Mumps. (Moderated)
comp.std.unix           Discussion for the P1003 committee on UNIX. (Moderated)
comp.std.wireless       Examining standards for wireless network technology. (Moderated) (Moderated)
--
Barry Margolin
BBN Planet Corporation, Cambridge, MA
barmar@bbnplanet.com

Is there an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file for the work being
done on the ANSI Standard for C++?

Is there an ftp site for the collected work to date?
 Along this line, some recent references were made to a 52 Meg
 file of all e-mails, documents, postings, etc.
 Is this on-line?
 Is it one file or several?

Is the list of members of the ANSI committee for C++
(active and otherwise) available on-line?

Is the meeting schedule for ANSI meetings to standardize C++
published on-line, or in some relevant newsgroup?
If this is not the appropriate newsgroup, which is?

Do the people on the ANSI standards committee for C++ read this
newsgroup?
Do they post to this newsgroup?
Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical discussions"?

--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\______to the end of the OuterNet

jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:

>Is there an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file for the work being
>done on the ANSI Standard for C++?

No.

>Is there an ftp site for the collected work to date?

Not a public one.

> Along this line, some recent references were made to a 52 Meg
> file of all e-mails, documents, postings, etc.
> Is this on-line?
> Is it one file or several?

Members of the committee may join committee-specific email discussion
groups. Members may also receive paper copies of all committee documents.
Members also have access to an ftp site containing many committee documents.

If you want access, join the committee. For information on how,
contact the Vice Chair, Josee Lajoie, josee@vnet.ibm.com. Information
on how to join has also been published frequently here and in various
magazines.

Magazines such as C++ Report and C/C++ Users Journal publish articles
every issue about the state of the standardization effort.

>Is the list of members of the ANSI committee for C++
>(active and otherwise) available on-line?

No. Committee members get a membership list.

>Is the meeting schedule for ANSI meetings to standardize C++
>published on-line, or in some relevant newsgroup?
>If this is not the appropriate newsgroup, which is?

The meeting schedule is provided to committee members. It's not
secret, it's just that only members have a standing invitation and
it's not clear what purpose would be served by publishing the
meeting details widely. Just to show my heart's in the right place,
the next meeting is July 10-14 in Monterey, California, and the
following one is (I think) November 6-10 in Tokyo, Japan. The
schedule is generally the second week of March, July, and November
each year.

>Do the people on the ANSI standards committee for C++ read this
>newsgroup?

Some do (me, for example).

>Do they post to this newsgroup?

Some do (me, for example).

>Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical discussions"?

"Standards", as in all other ".std." groups.
--
Steve Clamage, stephen.clamage@eng.sun.com

In article <3khuun$ojm@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, clamage@Eng.Sun.COM says...
>
>jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) writes:
>
>>Is there an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file for the work being
>>done on the ANSI Standard for C++?
>
>No.
>
Why not?

>>Is there an ftp site for the collected work to date?
>
>Not a public one.
>
Why isn't it public?


>>       Along this line, some recent references were made to a 52 Meg
>>       file of all e-mails, documents, postings, etc.
>>       Is this on-line?
>>       Is it one file or several?
>
>Members of the committee may join committee-specific email discussion
>groups. Members may also receive paper copies of all committee documents.
>Members also have access to an ftp site containing many committee
documents.

"Many documents"...which ones are not there?

>
>If you want access, join the committee. For information on how,
>contact the Vice Chair, Josee Lajoie, josee@vnet.ibm.com. Information
>on how to join has also been published frequently here and in various
>magazines.
>
>Magazines such as C++ Report and C/C++ Users Journal publish articles
>every issue about the state of the standardization effort.
>

Magazines are easily at least 3 months "late", couple that with the
fact that many magazines only publish one view of the world, you might
as well not bother...


>>Is the list of members of the ANSI committee for C++
>>(active and otherwise) available on-line?
>
>No. Committee members get a membership list.
>
Why wouldn't a committe member just post it periodically...
is it printed in the above magazines?

>>Is the meeting schedule for ANSI meetings to standardize C++
>>published on-line, or in some relevant newsgroup?
>>If this is not the appropriate newsgroup, which is?
>
>The meeting schedule is provided to committee members. It's not
>secret, it's just that only members have a standing invitation and
>it's not clear what purpose would be served by publishing the
>meeting details widely. Just to show my heart's in the right place,
>the next meeting is July 10-14 in Monterey, California,

OK....we are getting warmer...actually colder...in our last posting
all we had done was narrow it down to California...now we have
narrowed it down to a city...

NOTE: If someone e-mails me the location and time, I will post it
here...I am an American so I have no problem doing that...

ALSO: Please do not interpret these exchanges as meaning anything...
as you can see...Steve's "heart" is in the right place...we just
have to figure out where his "head" is at...(see previous posting
on binary attributes of humans)

>and the
>following one is (I think) November 6-10 in Tokyo, Japan. The
>schedule is generally the second week of March, July, and November
>each year.
>
How many Americans do you estimate will attend this meeting?


>>Do the people on the ANSI standards committee for C++ read this
>>newsgroup?
>
>Some do (me, for example).
>
Yes...clearly...

>>Do they post to this newsgroup?
>
>Some do (me, for example).
>
Yes...clearly...

>>Does "std" stand for standards, "studs", or "simply technical
discussions"?
>
>"Standards", as in all other ".std." groups.

OK...
I have one vote for Standards and one for Simply Technical Discussions...
keep those cards and letters coming...

As soon as we get to the bottom of this...or the top of it...
we will package it all up and send it to....whitehouse.gov
I have a feeling Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore
are going to be interested in this one...
(They are on the Internet...just in case you have been too busy
 to notice with your C++ "standards" work...)

--
Jim Fleming            /|\      Unir Corporation       Unir Technology, Inc.
%Techno Cat I        /  | \     One Naperville Plaza   184 Shuman Blvd. #100
Penn's Landing      /   |  \    Naperville, IL 60563   Naperville, IL 60563
East End, Tortola  |____|___\   1-708-505-5801         1-800-222-UNIR(8647)
British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX)   1-708-305-0600
                 \__/-------\__/       e-mail: jim.fleming@bytes.com
Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\______to the end of the OuterNet