In article <3am1ft$463@starbase.neosoft.com>,
David Weller <dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:

>In article <Cz8CKH.JLM@research.att.com>,
>Andrew Koenig <ark@research.att.com> wrote:
>>
>>If all goes well, there will be a standard at the end of 1996.
>>That will mean the C++ standard will have taken six years, which
>>is about the same amount of time as the C standard took.
>>--
>
>Yup, that's what it took for the recently-finalized Ada 94 standard.
>The first meeting was held in '88.

The Ada 9X Mapping/Revision Team didn't start until March '90, which
might more nearly correspond to the development of the base document
for a committee-based standardization process.  Of course a big
difference is that Ada 9X was a revision, so we had a formal
standard for the prior version to start from.  More telling is
perhaps the time it took to produce Fortran 8X (a 1991 ISO standard ;-).

>dweller@starbase.neosoft.com

-Tucker Taft   stt@inmet.com
Ada 9X Mapping/Revision Team

In article <Cz8CKH.JLM@research.att.com>,
Andrew Koenig <ark@research.att.com> wrote:
>
>If all goes well, there will be a standard at the end of 1996.
>That will mean the C++ standard will have taken six years, which
>is about the same amount of time as the C standard took.
>--

Yup, that's what it took for the recently-finalized Ada 94 standard.
The first meeting was held in '88.


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In <tdunnava.24.000F3700@Sam.Neosoft.Com> tdunnava@Sam.Neosoft.Com (Todd Dunnavant) writes:
>The standard is not yet finalized; it is in draft form.  I believe that the
>draft standard is now available in paperback form.  Can anyone confirm this?
>
I can certainly confirm that the standard is not yet finished. In fact it will
be another couple of years before it is completely done and we end up with
an official International Standard.

As for the paperback, I assume you are referring to "The Draft Standard C++
Library", by P.J. Plauger. That discusses that library and not much more
(I assume - I haven't seen a copy yet).

The only way for non-committee members to get a copy of the standard is from
their local national standards body - ANSI, in the case of the US. I don't
have the address handy - if you want it, I'm sure somebody here can provide
it.

Steve.
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In article <1994Nov17.011818.29601@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> steve@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Steve Rumsby) writes:

   The only way for non-committee members to get a copy of the
   standard is from their local national standards body - ANSI, in the
   case of the US. I don't have the address handy - if you want it,
   I'm sure somebody here can provide it.

The phone number is (202) 626-5738. I've ordered my copy yesterday for
$54. They don't offer student discounts, sigh.
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In article <3a5j7r$6fa@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> maxw@ix.netcom.com (Max Welton) writes:

> I've heard that there now is an actual standard for C++. Can anyone
> me where to get it?

You have heard incorrectly.

What there is is an agreement within the C++ standards committee
to submit the working paper that results after their *next* meeting
(in March 1995) for approval as a Committee Draft.  This is the
first formal step on the road toward approval as a standard, and
represents a consensus that the main tecnical details are all in
place.  The March 1995 version is also the version that will be sent
out by ANSI (and presumably by other national standards bodies)
for public comment.

If all goes well, there will be a standard at the end of 1996.
That will mean the C++ standard will have taken six years, which
is about the same amount of time as the C standard took.
--
    --Andrew Koenig
      ark@research.att.com

Andrew Koenig (ark@research.att.com) wrote:

: What there is is an agreement within the C++ standards committee
: to submit the working paper that results after their *next* meeting
: (in March 1995) for approval as a Committee Draft.  This is the
: first formal step on the road toward approval as a standard, and
: represents a consensus that the main tecnical details are all in
: place.  The March 1995 version is also the version that will be sent
: out by ANSI (and presumably by other national standards bodies)
: for public comment.

How will the March 1995 version be "sent out" for public comment?

---
Eric Lemings

In article <3a7012$c1p@martha.utk.edu> elemings@unix1.utm.edu (Brad Lemings) writes:

> How will the March 1995 version be "sent out" for public comment?

I don'tknow for certain.  We are trying to convince the powers
that be to allow some form of electronic distribution, but
we won't know for a while whether we have been successful.
--
    --Andrew Koenig
      ark@research.att.com

In article <Cz9Iyo.9tq@research.att.com> ark@research.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:
>In article <3a7012$c1p@martha.utk.edu> elemings@unix1.utm.edu (Brad Lemings) writes:
>> How will the March 1995 version be "sent out" for public comment?
>I don'tknow for certain.  We are trying to convince the powers
>that be to allow some form of electronic distribution, but
>we won't know for a while whether we have been successful.

They let X3J13 do electronic distribution of the Common Lisp drafts during
our public reviews.  We made a copy of it available on an FTP site, and
they also put a copy on Compuserve.
--

Barry Margolin
BBN Internet Services Corp.
barmar@near.net

I've heard that there now is an actual standard for C++. Can anyone
me where to get it?

I'm much obliged in advance.

In article <3a5j7r$6fa@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> maxw@ix.netcom.com (Max Welton) writes:
>From: maxw@ix.netcom.com (Max Welton)
>Subject: ANSI/ISO C++ Standard?
>Date: 13 Nov 1994 17:43:23 GMT

>I've heard that there now is an actual standard for C++. Can anyone
>me where to get it?

The standard is not yet finalized; it is in draft form.  I believe that the
draft standard is now available in paperback form.  Can anyone confirm this?

By the way, comp.std.c++ is the newsgroup for standards discussion.  You might
want to look into it.


Regards,

Todd Dunnavant   Houston, Texas   tdunnava@neosoft.com