: In article <1993May20.154800.16479@uafsun4.engr.uark.edu> dff@uafsun4.engr.uark.edu (FAULES DAN F) writes:
: |I would like information on obtaining ANSI standards documents.  In
: |particular, the C language and C++ language standards.
: |Where can these be obtained and what are their costs?  Answers to these
: |questions would be appreciated.

Jim Adcock (jimad@microsoft.com) wrote:
: The ANSI C document is:
: ANSI Programming Language - C, ANSI X3.159-1989
: American National Standards Institute
: New York, New York 10018

: Serious programmers will want to have a copy of each of these.

Agreed. In our local "better" bookstore, I find that X3.159 is unreasonably
expensive. (More than $70). Does anybody know a workaround for the price?

In article <1993May20.154800.16479@uafsun4.engr.uark.edu> dff@uafsun4.engr.uark.edu (FAULES DAN F) writes:
|I would like information on obtaining ANSI standards documents.  In
|particular, the C language and C++ language standards.
|
|Where can these be obtained and what are their costs?  Answers to these
|questions would be appreciated.

Here's some partial answers:

1) There is not yet an ANSI C++ standard document nor even a draft
standard document.  What you can get is a copy of work in progress.
You can do this [at least] three ways: a) you can join the C++ committee
and thus are entitled to the working papers [more details later]
b) you can get a one-off copy of the lastest pre-draft from ANSI or
c) you can ignore the work in progress and just work from the base
documents that the C++ committee is basing their work off of.

Of these above choices I would recommend c) or maybe a), not b)

The base documents the C++ committee is working from are [effectively]
Stroustrup's Annotated Reference Manual [ARM] and the ANSI C standard
document.

The ARM is:

The Annotated C++ Reference Manual
Ellis & Stroustrup
Addison-Wesley 1990
ISBN 0-201-51459-1

Available in better technical book stores for about $35-$40.

The ANSI C document is:

ANSI Programming Language - C, ANSI X3.159-1989
American National Standards Institute
New York, New York 10018

Serious programmers will want to have a copy of each of these.

Regards getting copies of the work from the ANSI-C++ committee,
Steve Clamage has the details, I believe.  Last I heard
committee membership was a couple hundred $$$ a year.  Copies of the
working papers are only sent to the first person in a company
or organization to join, so if you already have a member, you
might just ask if you can look at his/her copy of the papers.

If you are not a compiler writer, nor a professional writer of
portable C++ libraries, you might want to ignore the ANSI C++
work in progress for now, and just work from the two base documents.
The volume of working papers produced is very high, but the chance
of any particular material discussed in the working papers resulting in
a material change to the language is very low. [IMHO]

In article <1993May21.180011.8824@microsoft.com>, jimad@microsoft.com (Jim Adcock) writes:
> In article <1993May20.154800.16479@uafsun4.engr.uark.edu> dff@uafsun4.engr.uark.edu (FAULES DAN F) writes:
> |I would like information on obtaining ANSI standards documents.  In
> |particular, the C language and C++ language standards.

> Regards getting copies of the work from the ANSI-C++ committee,
> Steve Clamage has the details, I believe.  Last I heard
> committee membership was a couple hundred $$$ a year.

When I signed up as an Observer (i.e. no voting rights, but everything else)
three years ago, it cost $250/year.  The fee went up to $300/year, and last
year a $300 SURCHARGE was slapped on, the justification being that the
standard is now to be an international standard and the expense of cooperating
with ISO and other national standards bodies.  The surcharge can be waived,
but it is waived on a case-by-case basis.

If you are serious about participating, don't let the money stop you--but
if you get involved with x3j16/WG21 you will find yourself spending a lot
of time on it, even if you never travel to a meeting!  The accumulated
electronic mail of the committee is now in the tens of megabytes, and the
paper about a 1-foot stack (give or take).
--
 (This man's opinions are his own.)
 From mole-end    Mark Terribile

 mat@mole-end.matawan.nj.us, Somewhere in Matawan, NJ

I would like information on obtaining ANSI standards documents.  In
particular, the C language and C++ language standards.

Where can these be obtained and what are their costs?  Answers to these
questions would be appreciated.

Thanks.....