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When do proposal authors get feedback on their proposals? Two of my
proposals were included in the January mailing but I haven't received much
if any feedback on them.

In the spirit of agile development I kinda expected feedback sooner.

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On 11 March 2013 15:40, Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com> wrote:
> When do proposal authors get feedback on their proposals? Two of my
> proposals were included in the January mailing but I haven't received much
> if any feedback on them.
> In the spirit of agile development I kinda expected feedback sooner.

You can get official feedback when the papers have been reviewed.
Officially, that happens
in a meeting. Any interested parties can give feedback sooner if they
so choose. I don't
know what gave you the idea that the committee works "in the spirit of
agile development"...

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2013/3/11 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
> When do proposal authors get feedback on their proposals? Two of my
> proposals were included in the January mailing but I haven't received much
> if any feedback on them.

I guess it depends on the one who has finally forwarded the proposal.

> In the spirit of agile development I kinda expected feedback sooner.

I agree with that.

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On 11 March 2013 15:48, Daniel Kr=FCgler <daniel.kruegler@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013/3/11 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
>> When do proposal authors get feedback on their proposals? Two of my
>> proposals were included in the January mailing but I haven't received mu=
ch
>> if any feedback on them.
> I guess it depends on the one who has finally forwarded the proposal.

Ah, good point - do the proposals have a champion?

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2013/3/11 Ville Voutilainen <ville.voutilainen@gmail.com>:
> On 11 March 2013 15:48, Daniel Kr=FCgler <daniel.kruegler@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> 2013/3/11 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
>>> When do proposal authors get feedback on their proposals? Two of my
>>> proposals were included in the January mailing but I haven't received m=
uch
>>> if any feedback on them.
>> I guess it depends on the one who has finally forwarded the proposal.
>
> Ah, good point - do the proposals have a champion?

I guess my reply was ambiguous. I didn't mean the proxy that will
actually introduce the paper to the committee at meeting time, instead
I meant the person who ensures that the paper is internally forwarded
so that it finally ends in the mailing list. I think what Olaf was
asking for was feedback from this forwarder and I agree that this
feedback should be provided.

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On 11 March 2013 15:55, Daniel Kr=FCgler <daniel.kruegler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> When do proposal authors get feedback on their proposals? Two of my
>>>> proposals were included in the January mailing but I haven't received =
much
>>>> if any feedback on them.
> I guess my reply was ambiguous. I didn't mean the proxy that will
> actually introduce the paper to the committee at meeting time, instead
> I meant the person who ensures that the paper is internally forwarded
> so that it finally ends in the mailing list. I think what Olaf was
> asking for was feedback from this forwarder and I agree that this
> feedback should be provided.

Well, the proposals are in the mailing, as he says. There will be a
pre-Bristol administrative
meeting where we'll go through both the post-Portland and pre-Bristol
mailings and make sure
that the papers are on the agenda of the right subgroups.

Olaf, let me know if you'll need a champion, I like the operator-bool
one, and I think the assert
one can be useful.

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ville Voutilainen
<ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Olaf, let me know if you'll need a champion, I like the operator-bool
> one, and I think the assert
> one can be useful.

Crying for having no champion for my "printf" and "switch" proposals :(

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Ville Voutilainen
<ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, the proposals are in the mailing, as he says. There will be a
> pre-Bristol administrative
> meeting where we'll go through both the post-Portland and pre-Bristol
> mailings and make sure
> that the papers are on the agenda of the right subgroups.

Was just wondering whether there'd be any feedback in between
meetings, as there are only two meeting a year.

> Olaf, let me know if you'll need a champion, I like the operator-bool
> one, and I think the assert
> one can be useful.

Actually, I do. Beman was interested in the assert one too, but more
interest never hurts.

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2013/3/12 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Ville Voutilainen
> <ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, the proposals are in the mailing, as he says. There will be a
>> pre-Bristol administrative
>> meeting where we'll go through both the post-Portland and pre-Bristol
>> mailings and make sure
>> that the papers are on the agenda of the right subgroups.
>
> Was just wondering whether there'd be any feedback in between
> meetings, as there are only two meeting a year.

The current procedure is new, therefore we have not much experience
with it. I agree that - to minimize the chances of errors on either
side - the submitter should always get feedback of success or failure.
Please alert on this reflector or better using the LWG chair address,
if you miss feedback to documents that you have send to the LWG chair.

Thanks,

- Daniel

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Daniel Kr=FCgler
<daniel.kruegler@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013/3/12 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Ville Voutilainen
>> <ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, the proposals are in the mailing, as he says. There will be a
>>> pre-Bristol administrative
>>> meeting where we'll go through both the post-Portland and pre-Bristol
>>> mailings and make sure
>>> that the papers are on the agenda of the right subgroups.
>>
>> Was just wondering whether there'd be any feedback in between
>> meetings, as there are only two meeting a year.
>
> The current procedure is new, therefore we have not much experience
> with it. I agree that - to minimize the chances of errors on either
> side - the submitter should always get feedback of success or failure.
> Please alert on this reflector or better using the LWG chair address,
> if you miss feedback to documents that you have send to the LWG chair.

Just to be clear, the proposals were included in the mailing, so that's suc=
cess.
I meant feedback on the content of the proposal itself. I assume
there's a more private mailing list on which things get discussed, but
not everyone can read that one.


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2013/3/12 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
> Just to be clear, the proposals were included in the mailing, so that's success.

Yes, I understand that, but that point in time could be too late.

> I meant feedback on the content of the proposal itself. I assume
> there's a more private mailing list on which things get discussed, but
> not everyone can read that one.

OK, understood. We need to find a protocol for this, but I would
expect that the proxy that will introduce the document to the
committee will give feedback to the submitter. This is clearly the
case, if the committee has questions to the submitter.

Thanks,

- Daniel

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:51:29 +0100, Olaf van der Spek
<olafvdspek@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Daniel Kr=FCgler
> <daniel.kruegler@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2013/3/12 Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>:
>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Ville Voutilainen
>>> <ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, the proposals are in the mailing, as he says. There will be a
>>>> pre-Bristol administrative
>>>> meeting where we'll go through both the post-Portland and pre-Bristol
>>>> mailings and make sure
>>>> that the papers are on the agenda of the right subgroups.
>>>
>>> Was just wondering whether there'd be any feedback in between
>>> meetings, as there are only two meeting a year.
>>
>> The current procedure is new, therefore we have not much experience
>> with it. I agree that - to minimize the chances of errors on either
>> side - the submitter should always get feedback of success or failure.
>> Please alert on this reflector or better using the LWG chair address,
>> if you miss feedback to documents that you have send to the LWG chair.
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> Just to be clear, the proposals were included in the mailing, so
> that's success.
> I meant feedback on the content of the proposal itself. I assume
> there's a more private mailing list on which things get discussed, but
> not everyone can read that one.

What you probably miss is that what occurs between the meetings is
never
official.

There are internal mailing lists (so-called reflectors) where some
discussion
occurs, but there is no systematic examination of proposals there.

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On 13 March 2013 10:13, Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> wrote:
>> Just to be clear, the proposals were included in the mailing, so
>> that's success.
>> I meant feedback on the content of the proposal itself. I assume
>> there's a more private mailing list on which things get discussed, but
>> not everyone can read that one.
> What you probably miss is that what occurs between the meetings is
> never
> official.
> There are internal mailing lists (so-called reflectors) where some
> discussion
> occurs, but there is no systematic examination of proposals there.

Neither of Olaf's proposals have been discussed on the reflectors yet.

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