Topic: Question about standard proposal discussions


Author: little3lue <little3lue@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:25:49 -0400
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I agree.  The fact that comments are enabled, but not being (actively)
read, is misleading.

Perhaps a simple solution is to propose that  isocpp.org should simply link
to the correct discussion forum for comments on the proposals themselves,
and leave the comments open to general discussion.

-Michal


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>wrote:

> Op dinsdag 19 maart 2013 13:44:53 UTC+1 schreef Jonathan Wakely het
> volgende:
>
> Whether anyone reads or comments on stories on isocpp.org is up to them,
>> and it's not really surprising that most discussion happens here, as that's
>> what these groups were set up for.
>>
>> Might be better to disable comments to have discussion in one (less)
> place.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree. =A0The fact that comments are enabled, but not be=
ing (actively) read, is misleading.<div><br></div><div style>Perhaps a simp=
le solution is to propose that =A0<a href=3D"http://isocpp.org">isocpp.org<=
/a> should simply link to the correct discussion forum for comments on the =
proposals themselves, and leave the comments open to general discussion.</d=
iv>

<div style><br></div><div style>-Michal</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Olaf=
 van der Spek <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:olafvdspek@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">olafvdspek@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Op dinsdag 19 maart 2013 13:44:53 UTC+1 schr=
eef Jonathan Wakely het volgende:<div class=3D"im"><br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">

Whether anyone reads or comments on stories on <a href=3D"http://isocpp.org=
" target=3D"_blank">isocpp.org</a> is up to them, and it&#39;s not really s=
urprising that most discussion happens here, as that&#39;s what these group=
s were set up for.<br>

<br></blockquote></div><div>Might be better to disable comments to have dis=
cussion in one (less) place.=A0</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5=
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Author: Greg Marr <gregmmarr@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
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On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:25:49 PM UTC-4, Michal Mocny wrote:

> I agree.  The fact that comments are enabled, but not being (actively)
> read, is misleading.
>
> Perhaps a simple solution is to propose that  isocpp.org should simply
> link to the correct discussion forum for comments on the proposals
> themselves, and leave the comments open to general discussion.
>

Already there, all the links to papers say this:

If you are not a committee member, please use the comments section below or
the std-proposals<https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/std-proposals> forum
for public discussion.

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<span style=3D"font-size: 13px;">On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:25:49 PM UTC-=
4, Michal Mocny wrote:</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex=
;"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree. &nbsp;The fact that comments are enabled, but =
not being (actively) read, is misleading.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps a simp=
le solution is to propose that &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://isocpp.org" target=
=3D"_blank">isocpp.org</a> should simply link to the correct discussion for=
um for comments on the proposals themselves, and leave the comments open to=
 general discussion.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Already th=
ere, all the links to papers say this:</div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(=
51, 51, 51); font-family: elena-web-basic, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', seri=
f; font-size: 17.33333396911621px; line-height: 18px;"><br></span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: elena-web-basic, Geor=
gia, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 17.33333396911621px; line-height:=
 18px;">If you are not a committee member, please use the comments section =
below or the&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/=
forum/?fromgroups#!forum/std-proposals" style=3D"font-family: elena-web-bas=
ic, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif; line-height: 18px; font-size: 17.333=
33396911621px; color: rgb(65, 131, 196);">std-proposals</a><span style=3D"c=
olor: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: elena-web-basic, Georgia, 'Times New Ro=
man', serif; font-size: 17.33333396911621px; line-height: 18px;">&nbsp;foru=
m for public discussion.</span>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left: 1ex;"><div><br></div>
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Author: little3lue <little3lue@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:08:54 -0400
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Yes, I noticed this after the post.  Thanks for pointing it out.

I also used the contact link on the website and Herb was nice enough to
answer :)

Committee members also do read those comments and will bring up issues
raised at committee meeting and/or comment.  The issue seems to just be
that the rest of the community doesnt (yet?) scanb those comments as
actively.

-Michal


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Greg Marr <gregmmarr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:25:49 PM UTC-4, Michal Mocny wrote:
>
>> I agree.  The fact that comments are enabled, but not being (actively)
>> read, is misleading.
>>
>> Perhaps a simple solution is to propose that  isocpp.org should simply
>> link to the correct discussion forum for comments on the proposals
>> themselves, and leave the comments open to general discussion.
>>
>
> Already there, all the links to papers say this:
>
> If you are not a committee member, please use the comments section below
> or the std-proposals<https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/std-proposals> forum
> for public discussion.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, I noticed this after the post. =A0Thanks for pointing=
 it out.<div><br></div><div>I also used the contact link on the website and=
 Herb was nice enough to answer :)</div><div><br></div><div>Committee membe=
rs also do read those comments and will bring up issues raised at committee=
 meeting and/or comment. =A0The issue seems to just be that the rest of the=
=A0community=A0doesnt (yet?) scanb those comments as actively.</div>

<div><br></div><div style>-Michal</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Greg Marr=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregmmarr@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gregmmarr@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
3px">On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:25:49 PM UTC-4, Michal Mocny wrote:</span=
><br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree. =A0The fa=
ct that comments are enabled, but not being (actively) read, is misleading.=
<div>

<br></div><div>Perhaps a simple solution is to propose that =A0<a href=3D"h=
ttp://isocpp.org" target=3D"_blank">isocpp.org</a> should simply link to th=
e correct discussion forum for comments on the proposals themselves, and le=
ave the comments open to general discussion.</div>

</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Already there, all the links t=
o papers say this:</div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family=
:elena-web-basic,Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif;font-size:17.33333=
396911621px;line-height:18px"><br>

</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:elena-web-=
basic,Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif;font-size:17.33333396911621px=
;line-height:18px">If you are not a committee member, please use the commen=
ts section below or the=A0</span><a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/a/iso=
cpp.org/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/std-proposals" style=3D"font-family:elena-=
web-basic,Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif;line-height:18px;font-siz=
e:17.33333396911621px;color:rgb(65,131,196)" target=3D"_blank">std-proposal=
s</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:elena-web-basic,Georgia=
,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif;font-size:17.33333396911621px;line-height:=
18px">=A0forum for public discussion.</span>=A0</div>

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
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