Topic: Overloaded member functions substr of the
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So, Vlad, are you writing a paper?
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On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 1:22 PM, 'Vlad from Moscow' via ISO C++ Standard -
Future Proposals <std-proposals@isocpp.org> wrote:
> In fact most of the member functions that create a new representation of
> the object of the class template std::basic_string have an overload that
> uses iterators as for example assign, append, insert, replace, erase. And
> only the member function substr does not use iterators..
>
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>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4, Vlad from Moscow wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not think that adding the overloads of substr makes the class more
>>> complex.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure every proposal that added some functions to `basic_string` said
>> the same thing. That kind of thinking is precisely how you get bloated
>> interfaces.
>>
>> Those grains of seemingly irrelevant sand eventually add up to a desert.
>>
>> That being said, I don't think `basic_string`'s interface is
>> *unnecessarily* bloated. I find that (most of) those functions are
>> essential, but mainly because there are no equivalent algorithms that ca=
n
>> do those jobs anywhere nearly as conveniently, clearly, and effectively.
>>
>> `str.find("foo"sv)` is hundreds of times more digestible than `auto look
>> =3D "foo"sv; std::search(str.begin(), str.end(), look.begin(), look.end(=
));`
>> Range TS gives us `std::search(str, "foo"sv)`, which is pretty reasonabl=
e.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">So, Vlad, are you writing a paper?<div><br></div><div>G</d=
iv></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, =
May 25, 2018 at 1:22 PM, 'Vlad from Moscow' via ISO C++ Standard - =
Future Proposals <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:std-proposals@isoc=
pp.org" target=3D"_blank">std-proposals@isocpp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">In fact most of the member=
functions that create a new representation of the object of the class temp=
late std::basic_string have an overload that uses iterators as for example =
assign, append, insert, replace, erase. And only the member function substr=
does not use iterators..<br><br>=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3=
, 24 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=8F 2018 =D0=B3., 20:18:39 UTC+3 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=
=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Nicol Bolas =D0=BD=D0=
=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:<span class=3D"gmail-"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thursday, May 24, 2018=
at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4, Vlad from Moscow wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I do not think that adding the overlo=
ads of substr makes the class more complex.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>I'm sure every proposal that added some functions to `basic_=
string` said the same thing. That kind of thinking is precisely how you get=
bloated interfaces.</div><div><br></div><div>Those grains of seemingly irr=
elevant sand eventually add up to a desert.</div><div><br></div><div>That b=
eing said, I don't think `basic_string`'s interface is <i>unnecessa=
rily</i> bloated. I find that (most of) those functions are essential, but =
mainly because there are no equivalent algorithms that can do those jobs an=
ywhere nearly as conveniently, clearly, and effectively.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>`str.find("foo"sv)` is hundreds of times more digestible t=
han `auto look =3D "foo"sv; std::search(str.begin(), str.end(), l=
ook.begin(), look.end());` Range TS gives us `std::search(str, "foo&qu=
ot;sv)`, which is pretty reasonable.<br></div></div></blockquote></span></d=
iv><span class=3D"gmail-">
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I have not write yet a paper. I am just considering feedbacks for the=20
idea.:)
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> So, Vlad, are you writing a paper?
>
> G
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 1:22 PM, 'Vlad from Moscow' via ISO C++ Standard =
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> Future Proposals <std-pr...@isocpp.org <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> In fact most of the member functions that create a new representation of=
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>> the object of the class template std::basic_string have an overload that=
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>> uses iterators as for example assign, append, insert, replace, erase. An=
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>> only the member function substr does not use iterators..
>>
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=BB:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4, Vlad from Moscow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I do not think that adding the overloads of substr makes the class mor=
e=20
>>>> complex.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure every proposal that added some functions to `basic_string` sai=
d=20
>>> the same thing. That kind of thinking is precisely how you get bloated=
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>>> interfaces.
>>>
>>> Those grains of seemingly irrelevant sand eventually add up to a desert=
..
>>>
>>> That being said, I don't think `basic_string`'s interface is=20
>>> *unnecessarily* bloated. I find that (most of) those functions are=20
>>> essential, but mainly because there are no equivalent algorithms that c=
an=20
>>> do those jobs anywhere nearly as conveniently, clearly, and effectively=
..
>>>
>>> `str.find("foo"sv)` is hundreds of times more digestible than `auto loo=
k=20
>>> =3D "foo"sv; std::search(str.begin(), str.end(), look.begin(), look.end=
());`=20
>>> Range TS gives us `std::search(str, "foo"sv)`, which is pretty reasonab=
le.
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have not write yet a paper. I am just considering feedba=
cks for the idea.:)<br><br>=D0=BF=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0, 25 =
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=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">So, Vlad, are you writing a paper?<div><br></div><d=
iv>G</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 25, 2018 at=
1:22 PM, 'Vlad from Moscow' via ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposal=
s <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfus=
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e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">In fact most of the member functions =
that create a new representation of the object of the class template std::b=
asic_string have an overload that uses iterators as for example assign, app=
end, insert, replace, erase. And only the member function substr does not u=
se iterators..<br><br>=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3, 24 =D0=BC=
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in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4, Vlad fr=
om Moscow wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">I do not think that adding the overloads of substr makes the class=
more complex.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm sure every=
proposal that added some functions to `basic_string` said the same thing. =
That kind of thinking is precisely how you get bloated interfaces.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Those grains of seemingly irrelevant sand eventually add u=
p to a desert.</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, I don't think =
`basic_string`'s interface is <i>unnecessarily</i> bloated. I find that=
(most of) those functions are essential, but mainly because there are no e=
quivalent algorithms that can do those jobs anywhere nearly as conveniently=
, clearly, and effectively.</div><div><br></div><div>`str.find("foo&qu=
ot;sv)` is hundreds of times more digestible than `auto look =3D "foo&=
quot;sv; std::search(str.begin(), str.end(), look.begin(), look.end());` Ra=
nge TS gives us `std::search(str, "foo"sv)`, which is pretty reas=
onable.<br></div></div></blockquote></span></div><span>
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